41 comments on “Guru Granth Sahib burnt in India by miscreants. Hindu-Sikh protested vehemently.”

1. भारतीय नागरिक

   September 15, 2011

   

   धिक्कार है ऐसा घृणित काम करने वालों पर. उन्हें कड़ी सजा मिलना चाहिये.

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2. Chandan Singh

   September 15, 2011

   

   sub ko pata hai yeh kiska kaam hai magar hamay apna appa nahi khona ab koi hamay atalwadi nahi kahata kui ki yeh post ab kisay mil chuki hai yeh sari dunia ko pata hai ab fhir wahi game plan ho raha hai devide and rules the fools hamay phir us andhkar may dalanay ki koshish ab phir nahi we all hate this act we protest against this weird act shame shame.but very peacefully…………

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3. ws

   September 15, 2011

   

   It is not HIndu-Sikh but Sikhs! Did you see any Hindu in the protests? I doubt it. If you have, please give some proof!! I have no objection in other religions condemning the disgusting act but do not mix sikh religion with others.

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   • Harjas Kaur

     September 15, 2011

     

     Since everyone in the protest is in land of Hindustan, they are all by virtue of birth and ethnic National identity Hindustanis and hence Hindus! Since Hindu means from land of Hindustan. Sanatan Dharma is the proper name for what is commonly called “Hindu” religion. Therefore every person in the picture is a Hindu! And the matter of malicious attack on Shri Guru Granth is a matter threatening communal harmony, and concerns everyone of “Hindu” origin. Consider this example:

     ਹਿੰਦੂ ਤੁਰਕ ਕਹਾ ਤੇ ਆਏ ਕਿਨਿ ਏਹ ਰਾਹ ਚਲਾਈ ॥
     Hindhoo Thurak Kehaa Thae Aaeae Kin Eaeh Raah Chalaaee ||
     हिंदू तुरक कहा ते आए किनि एह राह चलाई ॥
     Where have the Hindus and muslims come from? Who put them on their different paths?
     ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p. 477

     Bhagat Kabir is clearly distinguishing on ethnic Nationality (Turks and Hindus (Hindustanis), and religion as being a part of an ethnic cultural whole. Therefore even in Gurbani “Hindu” specifies a Nationality and not so much as is translated, as a religious identity only since the word here used is not Musalman or musalim. therefore we see usage of term Hindu for ethnic nationality, from land of the Nation of Hindustan.

     “but do not mix sikh religion with others”

     Then kindly remove from Shri Guru Granth Sahib ji all references to Vedas, Puranas and Smritis. All praises of the Divine by Naams of “Hindu” devatay and avataray, And all philosophy originating from the “Hindu” Bhatts and Bhagats if you want to prevent any “mixing” of religion (which already exists).

     And if you realize you cannot respectfully do this, then also realize that a person of “Hindu” religion (properly called Sanatana Dharma) who is from Hindustan, READING Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, will automatically take these Shabads for his own and they will speak to his heart. He might even consider himself a shishya/Sikh in some ways taking counsel of these spiritual shabads. just as Gurdwaray have 4 doors, open and welcoming all faiths as belonging to the Guru Sahibaan and accepting that Guru Granth Sahib Ji is also “one of their own” as part of the rich cultural heritage of Hindustan.

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     • kaur

       September 17, 2011

       

       If Sikhism, is the true religion, how come it was created/revealed 300 years ago, and not at the beginning of time?

       Which religion was created at the beginning of time? Only God existed at the beginning of time and while Sikhism accepts that spiritual progress was open to human beings for many years prior to the arrival of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, only after Guru Nanak Dev Ji came to this world did the pure merger (in Sach Khand) between our soul and God become possible for all, as the Name of God and the Scriptures of God (gurbani) were revealed.

       Humans have existed for tens of thousands of years. They existed in North America and Asia with established cultures 10,000 years ago. That is much before any modern religion. What must have become of those poor souls?

       If we accept the Islamic approach, we have one shot at life. If we’re a success we go to Paradise and if not, we go to Dozak/Hell. But that leaves a lot of questions.

       Is God perfectly Just and fair? If he is, then why are some people born Muslims and other born in other religions? Those people born in other religions will have a much greater struggle and test to become Muslims than those born in Muslim homes. But at the end, the reward is the same: Paradise. So why do some people have to work so much harder for the same result that others earn much more easily? It’s not fair.

       What about babies that are still born and die in the womb? What about babies that die shortly after birth? What purpose did their life have? Why would God create them and let them die so soon? Their life didn’t have any real ‘meaning’ and they faced no real tests nor did they have the opportunity to embrace a faith.

       Finally, going back to the question, what about the millions of people that came before Islam or the Semitic religions or even now, the millions of people that will never be exposed to Islam? Why are they treated so unfairly? What will become of them?

       Sikhism has the answer to all these questions. The soul proceeds on a path through many lives. When it is ready, it finds Sikhism and is able to be liberated through meditation on Naam. If someone is good but hasn’t received Naam, then maybe in their next life they will be given the opportunity. No one is consigned to eternal Hell. Those souls that came before Sikhism were on a path preparing themselves to receive the divine revelation. As they become ready, they will now get the opportunity to learn of Sikhism and be saved.

       As for your questions about Guru Nanak: Mohammed was not born a “Muslim” and Christ was not born a Christian. Guru Nanak was born in a Hindu household but did not accept any Hindu ritual even in childhood including the ‘sacred thread’, etc. Guru Nanak tells how he was summoned to God’s court and assigned the duty of spreading Naam and being God’s messanger. The ang (page) with one example of such a verse is 150. Guru Nanak then took this divine message further than any other “Prophet”. He travelled as far as China, Sri Lanka. Russia and Turkey. He may have travelled farther but historical proofs exist for the countries mentioned.

       Guru Nanak’s companion, Mardana was indeed a Sikh. The story of how he became a Sikh and the conditions he accepted are also recorded. In fact, when he died, he was cremated by Guru Nanak. If he were Muslim, he would have been buried.

       Guru Nanak coined the phrase “Sikh” and used it to describe those on the Path of “Gurmat”.

       As for revealing the “holy book”, Guru Nanak’s verses are the “holy book”. As he was receiving them, he wrote them in his own hand. What further proof does one need?

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       • Raghav

         May 30, 2019

         

         Ghanta mera

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   • KS

     September 16, 2011

     

     All Sikhs are Hindhu, but not all Hindhus are Sikhs. Sanatani, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Shaiva, Shaktya, Vaishnava, Ganapatya, Saurya all belong to the same Hindu way of life.

     Hindu is that thread of life that connects India with the past, present and future in a strong sense of heritage, tradition and culture of a vast people got their unity in so many diversities.

     Sikh gurus and Hindu saints all wanted to keep up this spirit and fought unto last against the anti Indian – inhuman elements to uphold the signature of Hindutav in our social life.

     If you don’t understand this, then you misunderstand.

     Hinduism is unity and tolerance.
     Unity and tolerance are strength and peace of this Nation.
     Hinduism is the National spirit for integration and assimilation.

     Hindu is the brand value of Hindusthan.
     Divided We Die. United We Prosper.
     Chhak de India.
     Jai Hind. Vande Mataram.

     *Kishan *Singh.

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     • ws

       September 16, 2011

       

       Hey, whoever you are! Now you have crossed the lines!

       No, Sikhs are not Hindus!! In what what way are they ?

       The sign of a Sikh is Hair on head and beard.Hindus’s sign is Topi, choti, tilak, Janeiu, Shivling di charnamrit geeta and dhoti. Hindu is arabic word which means chor. They 4 bed, 18 puranas, 6 shashtras, 27 Simtriyas, 52 upmishtas.
       A Hindu becomes a Hindu with a scissor. If you do not cut your hair from birth you will be called a sardar. Kirpan is a symbol of Unity. scissor is is a symbol of Disintegration.If you shave your face with a scissor you look like a Hindu. If you use scissor for Sunit you become a Muslim. If Sikh takes amrit and puts Kirpan on his body he Become pure SINGH not so called luchi puchi singhs you mentioned.
       Now you tell, Sikhs came from Hindus or Hindus came from Sikhs??
       Sikh is seperate nation. Bhai Gurdas ji states:
       Sabadi jiti sidhi mandali kitosu apana panthu nirala.
       Panth means nation and Nirala means seperate!
       and
       Mariya sikka jaggat vich, Nanak nirmal panth chalaya.

       Therefore sikh a seperate nation.

       Guru Gobind Singh Says:
       Jab lag Khalsa rahe Nyara, tab lag tez deyo mein sara
       Jab ih gahe vipran ki reet, mein na karoon in ki parteet.

       Vipran mean Brahmanic rituals

       And

       Shatri ko poot ho, brahmn ko nahi:
       Shatri means warrior.

       Sikhs have distinct appearance. They separate religious Granth. In Geeta nothing is said about muslims, In Quaran nothing is said about Hindus. Guru Granth Sahib gave place for all. Look how many bhagat baani there is in Guru Granth Ji. Bhagat Kabir JI, BHagat ravidas ji, BHgata farid ji (muslim) etc from different religions and castes (jatt, chmyar, bhramn (Jaidev Ji), Harijan(Balmik) etc)

       Guru Granth Sahib have their bani because it does not state any differences for anybody.

       Sikhs have places for all that’s why Harmandir Sahib has 4 (sate of ages, mind, religions, castes, letters [w h g r])doors. Any one is welcome!!

       In Mandir Masjid you not find langar, Only in Gurudwaras (Unity of Sangat and Pangat!!)

       Hindu women cannot have Bodis, put topi, put dhoti, put janeu on her body etc. Muslim Women cannot have sunnat, cannot go to makka, cannot read namaj in Masjid (if yes, with Curtains or parda).
       If a women cannot perform religious rights how can they go to bahisht or gain Mukti?

       Sikh Women have equal right as the sikh men have!!

       In what are they same? If you cannot see the difference then you are really stupid with low IQ

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     • Harjas Kaur

       September 17, 2011

       

       WS ji I’m sorry to inform that you may worship the God which is SAT, but your argument is filled with lies. And no need to become abusive to anyone unless you have lost control of your points and do not really believe them hence are threatened by the TRUTH.

       “The sign of a Sikh is Hair on head and beard.Hindus’s sign is Topi, choti, tilak, Janeiu, Shivling di charnamrit geeta and dhoti.”

       REALLY? Do you BELIEVE what you wrote? WONDERFUL! “Hindus’s sign is Topi.”

       You said this! I will repeat for emphasis! WS said “Hindus’s sign is Topi!” HAHAHAHA!~ Now we will see who is the foolish person. Were you aware dear boy that 5 dedhari forms of Sikh Guru Sahibaan wore….(wait for it)…SELI TOPI!~

       YES! And in fact actual Seli Topi belonging to Guru Nanak Dev Ji is preserved by Sodhi family descendents. It is not until Guru Hargobind that Guru’s gave up Seli Topi to wear dastaar for purposes that it is for military use to wear dastaar as a protection. But even HINDU yogi’s wear joora to form seal (mudra) over the dasam duaara. So keeping long hairs uncut and tied in joora comes from yogis. Seli Topi comes from Vaishnav (HINDU) bhagats such as whose bani is in Gurbani. Here is a link that you can research for yourself the veracity of these claims and no longer be foolish person.

       http://www.deragurubhadbhagsinghji.com/english/relics.asp

       And also this link

       http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Seli_Topi

       and this one, “and a Seli-topi(a sort of cap). Seli-topi belonged to SHRI GURU NANAK DEV JI, Baba Shri Chand ji Son of SHRI GURU NANAK DEV JI, had gifted the same to Baba Gurditta Ji(grandfather of Bibi Rup Kaur ji) and Bibi Rup Kaur Ji had received as gift from her grandmother.” http://www.historicalgurudwaras.com/India/Punjab/Ropar/GurudwaraShriManjiSahibKiratpurSahib/gallery.php

       Janeiu
       Now it is written in Janam Sakhi that Guru Nanak Dev Ji refused Janeo due to injustice that shudra caste did not receive it. And this was due to his philosophy which agreed with the Vaishnava Bhatts and Bhagktas whose bani is in Gurbani that in the Kaliyuga the salvation is very easy because only have to Nama Japa Krishan Naams and not perform elaborate purification rituals as in past ages. NEVER did the Gurbani say the rituals and purifications and tapasiya be worthless or unnecessary, only that these were effective in past yugas, but in the Kaliyuga because degeneration is so rampant that boat of mukti is the Nama Japa. So we have this situation, where the Guruji was against any casteist injustices of not welcoming everyone to the spiritual purification practice of nama Japa, which is in alignment with Vaishnava Hindu sampraday. Moreover we see that Amritdhari Sikhs will wear kirpan, but per rehitnamay it must be worn in a gatra. The gatra and kirpan must never be removed, not even for sleeping or bathing and becomes part of the person. when voiding or bathing, the gatra is wrapped up around the ears. DID YOU NOT KNOW this is precisely how Janeo is treated? DID YOU NOT KNOW that brahmin caste wears janeo slung fromright to left, but kshatriya wears traditionally slung from left to right…just like gatra is worn? And also we see that Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib which wore TILAK, was also sacrificing his head as shaheedi to PROTECT the TILAK and JANEO of SAINTS to PROTECT THE DHARMA!~

       ਹਰੀਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਸੁਤ ਵਏ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਤੇ ਤੇਗ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਭਏ ॥੧੨॥
       Darookrisan Tin Ke Sout Vae|| Tin Te Teg Bahaadar Bhae||12||
       हरीक्रिसन तिन के सुत वए ॥ तिन ते तेग बहादर भए ॥१२॥
       Har Krishan (the next Guru) was his son; after him, Tegh Bahadur became the Guru.

       ਤਿਲਕ ਜੰਵੂ ਰਾਖਾ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤਾ ਕਾ ॥ ਕੀਨੋ ਬਡੋ ਕਲੂ ਮਹਿ ਸਾਕਾ ॥
       Tilak Janjhoo Raakhaa Prabh Taa Kaa|| Koono Bado Kaloo Maih Saakaa||
       तिलक जंवू राखा प्रभ ता का ॥ कीनो बडो कलू महि साका ॥
       He protected the forehead mark and sacred thread which marked a great event in the Iron age.

       ਸਾਧਨ ਹੇਤਿ ਇਤੀ ਜਿਨਿ ਕਰੀ ॥ ਸੀਸੁ ਦੀਆ ਪਰ ਸੀ ਨ ਉਚਰੀ ॥੧੩॥
       Saadhan Het(i) Itoo Jin(i) Daroo|| Soos(u) Dooaa Par Soo Na Oucdaroo||13||
       साधन हेति इती जिनि करी ॥ सीसु दीआ पर सी न उचरी ॥१३॥
       For the sake of saints, he laid down his head without even a sign.

       ਧਰਮ ਹੇਤਿ ਸਾਕਾ ਜਿਨਿ ਕੀਆ ॥ ਸੀਸੁ ਦੀਆ ਪਰ ਸਿਰਰੁ ਨ ਦੀਆ ॥
       Dharam Het(i) Saakaa Jin Kooaa|| Soos(u) Dooaa Par Sirar(u) Na Dooaa||
       धरम हेति साका जिनि कीआ ॥ सीसु दीआ पर सिररु न दीआ ॥
       For the sake of Dharma, he sacrificed himself. He laid down his head but not his creed.
       ~Shri Dasam Granth Sahib p. 131

       So why is it that Hindu yogis do not cut the hair. This makes them Sikhs? And why is it that Sikh Guru’s wore TILAK? So by your own reasoning, if I can PROVE Sikh Guru Sahibaan wore TILAK, then they are HINDUS?

       ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਸੋਢੀ ਤਿਲਕੁ ਦੀਆ ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦੁ ਸਚੁ ਨੀਸਾਣੁ ਜੀਉ ॥੫॥
       Raamadhaas Sodtee Thilak Dheeaa Gur Sabadh Sach Neesaan Jeeo ||5||
       रामदास सोढी तिलकु दीआ गुर सबदु सचु नीसाणु जीउ ॥५॥
       The Guru then blessed the Sodhi Ram Das with the ceremonial tilak mark, the insignia of the True Word of the Shabad. ||5||
       ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p. 923

       ਜਿਤਨੇ ਭਗਤ ਹਰਿ ਸੇਵਕਾ ਮੁਖਿ ਅਠਸਠਿ ਤੀਰਥ ਤਿਨ ਤਿਲਕੁ ਕਢਾਇ ॥
       Jithanae Bhagath Har Saevakaa Mukh Athasath Theerathh Thin Thilak Kadtaae ||
       जितने भगत हरि सेवका मुखि अठसठि तीरथ तिन तिलकु कढाइ ॥
       All of the devotees and servants of the Lord have the tilak, the ceremonial mark, applied to their foreheads at the sixty-eight sacred shrines of pilgrimage.
       ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p. 733

       Now you accuse “dhoti” as being of HINDU origin. but in actual fact it is the Kacchera of Hanuman ji which is worn by brahmacharis as kaupin and Singhs as kacchera to promote purity of body and prevent unnecessary stimulation. So Sikhs are clearly wearing garment of HINDU origin and for exact same purpose, although as householders, but to minimize kaam.

       you say, “The sign of a Sikh is Hair on head and beard.Hindus’s sign is Topi, choti, tilak, Janeiu, Shivling di charnamrit geeta and dhoti.”

       Now may I ask you how sign of HINDUS can be Shivaling when not all Hindus worship Lord Shiva? What about Vaishnav sect? Are these not HINDUS? Vaishnavas, as you should know honor the Lord in aspect of VISHNU, meaning the all-pervading. And Vaishnavas worship particular murthian called Shaligram stone which are a sign of Lord Vishnu, and not Shivalingam.

       ਬਿਰਥਾ ਕਾਹੂ ਛੋਡੈ ਨਾਹੀ ॥
       Birthā kāhū cẖẖodai nāhī.
       He never leaves anything uselessly.

       ਬਹੁਰਿ ਬਹੁਰਿ ਤਿਸੁ ਲਾਗਹ ਪਾਈ ॥੧॥
       Bahur bahur ṯis lāgah pā▫ī. ||1||
       Again and again, he falls at the Lord’s Feet. ||1||

       ਸਾਲਗਿਰਾਮੁ ਹਮਾਰੈ ਸੇਵਾ ॥
       Sālgirām hamārai sevā.
       Such is the Saalagraam, the stone idol, which I serve;

       ਪੂਜਾ ਅਰਚਾ ਬੰਦਨ ਦੇਵਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
       Pūjā arcẖā banḏan ḏevā. ||1|| rahā▫o.
       such is my worship, flower-offerings and divine adoration as well. ||1||Pause||

       ਘੰਟਾ ਜਾ ਕਾ ਸੁਨੀਐ ਚਹੁ ਕੁੰਟ ॥
       Gẖantā jā kā sunī▫ai cẖahu kunt.
       His bell resounds to the four corners of the world.

       ਆਸਨੁ ਜਾ ਕਾ ਸਦਾ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ॥
       Āsan jā kā saḏā baikunṯẖ.
       His seat is forever in heaven.

       ਜਾ ਕਾ ਚਵਰੁ ਸਭ ਊਪਰਿ ਝੂਲੈ ॥
       Jā kā cẖavar sabẖ ūpar jẖūlai.
       His chauri, his fly-brush, waves over all.

       ਤਾ ਕਾ ਧੂਪੁ ਸਦਾ ਪਰਫੁਲੈ ॥੨॥
       Ŧā kā ḏẖūp saḏā parfulai. ||2||
       His incense is ever-fragrant. ||2||

       ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਸੰਪਟੁ ਹੈ ਰੇ ਜਾ ਕਾ ॥
       Gẖat gẖat sampat hai re jā kā.
       He is treasured in each and every heart.

       ਅਭਗ ਸਭਾ ਸੰਗਿ ਹੈ ਸਾਧਾ ॥
       Abẖag sabẖā sang hai sāḏẖā.
       The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is His Eternal Court.

       ਆਰਤੀ ਕੀਰਤਨੁ ਸਦਾ ਅਨੰਦ ॥
       Ārṯī kīrṯan saḏā anand.
       His Aartee, his lamp-lit worship service, is the Kirtan of His Praises, which brings lasting bliss.

       ਮਹਿਮਾ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਸਦਾ ਬੇਅੰਤ ॥੩॥
       Mahimā sunḏar saḏā be▫anṯ. ||3||
       His Greatness is so beautiful, and ever limitless. ||3||

       ਜਿਸਹਿ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ਤਿਸ ਹੀ ਲਹਨਾ ॥
       Jisahi parāpaṯ ṯis hī lahnā.
       He alone obtains it, who is so pre-ordained;

       ਸੰਤ ਚਰਨ ਓਹੁ ਆਇਓ ਸਰਨਾ ॥
       Sanṯ cẖaran oh ā▫i▫o sarnā.
       he takes to the Sanctuary of the Saints’ Feet.

       ਹਾਥਿ ਚੜਿਓ ਹਰਿ ਸਾਲਗਿਰਾਮੁ ॥
       Hāth cẖaṛi▫o har sālgirām.
       I hold in my hands the Saalagraam of the Lord.

       ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਿ ਕੀਨੋ ਦਾਨੁ ॥੪॥੩੯॥੯੦॥
       Kaho Nānak gur kīno ḏān. ||4||39||90||
       Says Nanak, the Guru has given me this Gift. ||4||39||90||
       ~Shri guru Granth Sahib Ji p. 393

       And if you think this is only symbolic, ask why the Sodhi family descendents have preserved actual Shaligram of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Please see link:

       http://pothimala.com/relics/relics.htm

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     • kaur

       September 17, 2011

       

       First define Hinduism. What is Hinduism?

       It is a myriad of beliefs with a dazzling array of gods and goddesses with devotes of each locked in performing worship to each deity. Some pooja Shiv Ji, Ganash, Hanuman others go for Durga mata or Kali. Some take a different route and worship snakes, rats, elephants or monkeys, each person choosing his or her own route to salvation. Sikhs do not look down on Hindus, they have chosen a route, albeit a long one, but for a Sikh the only true path to the Almighty One God is one of Gurmat, the path laid by Guru Nanak Dev Ji and the nine Guru’s culminating in the miracle of Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

       From the outset Guru Nanak Dev Ji rejected Hinduism, Guru Ji did not wear the Jineu, sacred thread, or had the sacred mark or tilak on his forehead.

       Sikhism and Hinduism are distinctly separate religions. Hinduism believes in caste distinctions, worships idols, and astrologic divination. Most Hindus are not monotheist, that is, they worship a god or goddess from a large array of deities. Sikhs on the other hand believe in the equality of all persons of both genders, do not believe one day to be more auspicious than another. Sikhs acknowledge the existance of gods and goddesses, which are akin to angels and Sikhs show them great respect but when a Sikhs head bows, it bows only to the One timeless God who is beyond birth and death.

       You may bathe and wash, and apply a ritualistic tilak mark to your forehead, but without inner purity, there is no understanding. ||6|| Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Raag Raamkalee. p903

       Guru Gobind Singh Ji explores the austerities carried out mostly by Hindus and concludes that they are of no avail unless you have the True Lord in your heart.

       Swine eats filth, elephants and donkeys bespatter themselves with dust.
       Jackals live at places of cremation.
       Owls live in tombs, deer wander alone in the forests, trees ever die in silence;
       The man who re-straineth his seed should only have the credit of the hermaphrodite
       Monkeys ever wander bare-footed.
       They who eat grass and renounce the desire of wealth are no more then calves and oxen.
       They who engage in meditation resemble cranes, cates and wolves
       For grazing on akk, eating fruits and flowers, and ever wandering in the forests, there is no animal like the goat.
       In the cold season the jackal barketh five times. and the elephant and donkey utter various cries
       If anyone were by repeating Gods name to obtain God (who cannot be obtained just by lip-worship), then the warbler ever uttereth “Tu hi ! Tu hi ! (would have obtained salvation)”

       The Lord Akal creates millions of Krishna, annihilates them and recreates them.
       Some hang stones around their necks, while others erroneously call Mahesh ‘God’
       I have discarded all these false religions and am of the firm view that He who is the creator of the Universe, is the only Lord.
       Everyone is caught in the noose of Death, no Rama or prophet can escape from it. All of them who made grand claims of being Avtars of God died repentant. Why doest not thou, O, hapless being seek the shelter of the One Lord. (15th swayya) Dasam Granth

       It is indeed correct that Hindu deities are mentioned many times in Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Dasam Granth Ji and it is true that in many shabads (hymns) they are shown great respect, but it does not follow that the Hindu deities are revered in any way. In fact the deities – Brahman, Vishnu, Shiv Ji, Parvati, Hanuman – are shown to be spiritually higher life forms but who have flaws and are influenced by Maya/illusion, ego and the vices.

       Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Dasam Granth Ji both mention Avtar/incarnations of past ages. God who is Nirgun (He has all qualities so He is without any single quality, hence Nir(no) Guna(Quality)) to restore order in his manifestation, the whole universe(s), from time to time will take the form of mighty men and women, who display some of his qualities, which is called Saguna – Sa(with) Guna (Qualities). So as per Dasham Granth Ji, Saguna forms were described to show the might of Nirguna. The ultimate power is God – AkalPurkh, Waheguru, Paarbrahm, Ram, Allah – what ever you want to call Him, He has many names, and only Sikhism respects all great Saguna Saroops (forms) of God in all faiths.

       First and foremost the Gurus remind us that the deities were all created (and will be destroyed) by the Almighty. This shows clearly that the Gurus had respect but in no way revered the deities.

       So many winds, waters and fires; so many Krishnas and Shivas. Guru Nanak Dev Ji Japji.

       He created air, water and fire, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva – the whole creation. Guru Nanak Dev Ji

       The realm of Shiva, the realms of Brahma and Indra as well – no place anywhere is permanent. Guru Arjun dev ji.

       The Gurus remind us time and again that the gods and goddesses have meditated for eons but still have not understood the secret of the Almighty.

       The wise one, Shiva, remains absorbed in himself, but he is engrossed in dark passions and excessive egotism. ||2|| Guru Amar Daas Ji Raag Vadhans p559

       Shiva meditates through lakhs of methods (postures) but still could not recognise the form, hue and guise of the Lord. Vishnu incarnated himself through lakhs of creatures but he could not recognise even a bit of that Lord. Var18.

       Beings like Sanak, Sanand, Shiva and Shaysh-naaga – none of them know Your mystery, Lord. ||1|| Bhagat Kabeer Ji Raag Dhanaasree p691

       Raag Dhanaasaree, The Word Of Devotee Kabeer Jee:
       One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:
       Beings like Sanak, Sanand, Shiva and Shaysh-naaga – none of them know Your mystery, Lord. ||1||
       In the Society of the Saints, the Lord dwells within the heart. ||1||Pause||
       Beings like Hanumaan, Garura, Indra the King of the gods and the rulers of humans – none of them know Your Glories, Lord. ||2||
       The four Vedas, the Simritees and the Puraanas, Vishnu the Lord of Lakshmi and Lakshmi herself – none of them know the Lord. ||3||
       Says Kabeer, one who falls at the Lord’s feet, and remains in His Sanctuary, does not wander around lost. ||4||1|| Bhagat Kabeer Ji in Raag Dhanaasree on Pannaa 691
       If Sikhism is a sect of Hinduism then there would have been no need for the creation of a new path, no need for new customs. At the time of Guru Nanak Dev Ji there had existed the Ramayan and Mahabharat Hindu scriptures. Along side these were the four Vedas and Simaraties and Purans, why was there a need to craft a new scripture in the form of the holy Guru Granth sahib as compiled by Guru Arjun Dev Ji? From the outset Guru Nanak Dev Ji’s whole intention was to create the True path that leads to the meging of the soul into the One great Soul, as proscribed by God.

       In the following shabad Guru Arjun Dev Ji describes Maya – illusion. Maya has the whole world in her embrace and even the mighty gods and goddesses cannot escape her.

       Aasaa, Fifth Mehl:
       A frown creases her forehead, and her look is evil.
       Her speech is bitter, and her tongue is rude.
       She is always hungry, and she believes her Husband to be far away. ||1||
       Such is Maya, the woman, which the One Lord has created.
       She is devouring the whole world, but the Guru has saved me, O my Siblings of Destiny.
       Administering her poisons, she has overcome the whole world.
       She has bewitched Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.
       Only those Gurmukhs who are attuned to the Naam are blessed. ||2||
       Performing fasts, religious observances and atonements, the mortals have grown weary.
       They wander over the entire planet, on pilgrimages to the banks of sacred rivers.
       But they alone are saved, who seek the Sanctuary of the True Guru. ||3||
       Attached to Maya, the whole world is in bondage.
       The foolish self-willed manmukhs are consumed by their egotism.
       Taking me by the arm, Guru Nanak has saved me. ||4||2||96||Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Aasaa p394

       The deities are chastised for not putting people on the path of the one Almighty but rather making them their own devotees.

       Those who serve Shiva and Brahma do not find the limits of the Lord. Guru Amar Daas Ji. Raag Gujri p516

       This is not to say that the Gurus did not write about the deities with warmth and affection.

       The true Vaishnaav, the devotee of Vishnu, is the one with whom God is thoroughly pleased.
       He dwells apart from Maya.
       Performing good deeds, he does not seek rewards.
       Spotlessly pure is the religion of such a Vaishnaav;
       he has no desire for the fruits of his labours.
       He is absorbed in devotional worship and the singing of Kirtan, the songs of the Lord’s Glory.
       Within his mind and body, he meditates in remembrance on the Lord of the Universe.
       He is kind to all creatures.
       He holds fast to the Naam, and inspires others to chant it.
       O Nanak, such a Vaishnaav obtains the supreme status. ||2||Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Gauree p274

       Guru Gobind Singh Ji in his Dasam Granth has written many compositions that tell the lives of deities worshipped by Hindus. It is the misunderstanding (intentional or unintentional) of the hindu that the Guru Ji revered or worshipped the deities.

       Guru Gobind Singh Ji had faith in the one almighty God and him alone. The opening of every composition in the Dasam Granth is a homage in praise of the one formless God, in the case of his autobiography, Bachittar Natak, the first quarter of the composition is in praise of God. The compositions Jaap Sahib and Akal Ustat (Eulogy to God), which being the Dasam Granth, are totally in praise of the Amlighty. As for the compositions Var Bhagauti Ki (Chandi di Var – composition re-telling the story of the goddess Durgas battle with the demons) and Chaubis Avtar ( the telling of the twenty four incarnations of Vishnu which include Bhagwan Krishan Ji, Sri Ram Chandar Ji, Macch Avatar, Kacch Avatar and Kalki Avatar) again the first part is in praise of the Almighty. So the notion that somehow Guru Sahib Ji revered or worshiped these deities is totally false.

       Here is the start of Var Bhagauti Ki.

       Var Bhagauti Ki

       First and foremost I remember Bhauguti Ji (God) and then set my mind on Guru Nanak.Then I seek the help of Guru Angad, Guru Amar Das and Guru Ram Das. Arjan, Hargobind and (Guru) Har Rai be remembered.Sri Harkrishan be meditated upon whose mere glimpse removes all sorrows. (Guru) Tegh Bahadur be remembered as it causes the home to flourish.They all help me at all times.The Lord first created Khanda, the double edged sword and then his manifest world. Having created Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, He created the entire play of Kudrat (manifest world).He created the oceans, mountains, earth and sky which stands above, unsupported by any pillars.He created both gods(deities) and demons and then created polemic.It was You who created Durga so as to destroy the demons.Rama also took strength from you to kill Ravan with his arrow.Krishan also got strength from You and thus threw down Kansa by his hair.Many great deities and ascetics underwent hard austerities, but none could fathom thy greatness.

       As can be seen Guru Sahib Ji put his faith in God alone and regarded Krishan Bhagwan Ji, Sri Ram Chandra Ji and Durga to be creations of God. So why would Guru Sahib Ji every worship

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     • Harjas Kaur

       September 17, 2011

       

       Namaskar Krishna Singh,

       You wrote: “A Hindu becomes a Hindu with a scissor. If you do not cut your hair from birth you will be called a sardar.

       You have yet to explain how hairs will divide the world and make a Sikh when so many which do not cut hairs are not Sikh, either in belief or practice, and as we readily see it is the natural state of a human being. We know yogis often have practiced by keeping the unshorn kesas. We know in times past the Rajputana distinguished themselves as lions of Durga (SINGHS) by keeping the uncut hairs and beard for this appearance. They also wore dastar, chola and kirpan. Guru Gobind Singh has simply taken Hindu Kshatriya and opened up to all castes who were chelay of Guru Sahibaan and lifted them to royal warrior (Rajputana Kshatriya) status, this is why Singhnia are called Kaurs, Princes which is the designation given to Rajputana.

       Rajputs, the original warrior Singhs:
       

       We can see the Court dress of Maharaja Dulip Singh being fully imitative of Rajputana traditional dress, see for comparison.
       

       See here is original Kaur of Hindu Kshatriya:
       

       You say, “Hindu is arabic word which means chor.”
       Actually, despite the illogical, hateful and desperate propaganda from Islamic missionaries which MURDERED Sikh Guru Sahibaan and their families, and their chelay, Hindu comes from river Sindhu.

       “Sapta sindhu muthal Sindhu maha samudhram vareyulla Bharatha bhoomi aarkkellamaano Mathru bhoomiyum Pithru bhoomiyumayittullathu, avaraanu hindukkalaayi ariyappedunnathu. Whoever considers the land of Bharatha Bhoomi between Sapta Sindu and the Indian Ocean as his or her motherland and fatherland is known as Hindu.”

       Kirpan is a symbol of Unity. scissor is is a symbol of Disintegration.If you shave your face with a scissor you look like a Hindu. If you use scissor for Sunit you become a Muslim. If Sikh takes amrit and puts Kirpan on his body he Become pure SINGH not so called luchi puchi singhs you mentioned.

       Seriously? Something of the body has this importance? The only purpose of the long hair for chelay of Guru Sahibaan was order of obedience. You contradict common sense as well as Gurbani.

       ਜਉ ਰੇ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਮੋਹਿ ਤੁਰਕੁ ਕਰੈਗਾ ਆਪਨ ਹੀ ਕਟਿ ਜਾਈ ॥੨॥
       Jo Rae Khudhaae Mohi Thurak Karaigaa Aapan Hee Katt Jaaee ||2||
       If God wished me to be a Muslim, it would be cut off by itself. ||2||

       ਸੁੰਨਤਿ ਕੀਏ ਤੁਰਕੁ ਜੇ ਹੋਇਗਾ ਅਉਰਤ ਕਾ ਕਿਆ ਕਰੀਐ ॥
       Sunnath Keeeae Thurak Jae Hoeigaa Aourath Kaa Kiaa Kareeai ||
       If circumcision makes one a Muslim, then what about a woman?

       ਅਰਧ ਸਰੀਰੀ ਨਾਰਿ ਨ ਛੋਡੈ ਤਾ ਤੇ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਹੀ ਰਹੀਐ ॥੩॥
       Aradhh Sareeree Naar N Shhoddai Thaa Thae Hindhoo Hee Reheeai ||3||
       She is the other half of a man’s body, and she does not leave him, so he remains a Hindu. ||3||
       ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p. 477

       and also,

       ਕਬੀਰ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਇਕ ਸਿਉ ਕੀਏ ਆਨ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਜਾਇ ॥
       Kabeer Preeth Eik Sio Keeeae Aan Dhubidhhaa Jaae ||
       Kabeer, when you are in love with the One Lord, duality and alienation depart.

       ਭਾਵੈ ਲਾਂਬੇ ਕੇਸ ਕਰੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਘਰਰਿ ਮੁਡਾਇ ॥੨੫॥
       Bhaavai Laanbae Kaes Kar Bhaavai Gharar Muddaae ||25||
       You may have long hair, or you may shave your head bald. ||25||

       ਕਬੀਰ ਜਗੁ ਕਾਜਲ ਕੀ ਕੋਠਰੀ ਅੰਧ ਪਰੇ ਤਿਸ ਮਾਹਿ ॥
       Kabeer Jag Kaajal Kee Kotharee Andhh Parae This Maahi ||
       Kabeer, the world is a room filled with black soot; the blind fall into its trap.
       ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p. 1365

       Now you tell, Sikhs came from Hindus or Hindus came from Sikhs??
       Sikh is seperate nation. Bhai Gurdas ji states:
       Sabadi jiti sidhi mandali kitosu apana panthu nirala.
       Panth means nation and Nirala means seperate!

       Panth means PATH! NIRALA means DETACHMENT! This means WAY OF SPIRITUAL DETACHMENT, not some political separatism!~

       Example:

       ਦਸ ਨਾਮਿ ਸੰਨਿਆਸੀਆ ਜੋਗੀ ਬਾਰਹ ਪੰਥਿ ਚਲਾਏ।
       Dasi Naami Sanniaaseeaa Jogee Baarah Panthi Chalaaay.
       दसि नामि संनिआसीआ जोगी बारह पंथि चलाए ।
       Then ten orders of ascetics and twelve orders Of yogis came into being.
       ~Vaar 1 Pauri 19, Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji

       Are the orders of yogis now also separate religions as you interpret PANTH?

       ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪੰਥਿ ਚਲਾਇ ਚਲਣੁ ਭਾਣਿਆ।
       Guramoukhi Panthi Chalaai Chalanu Bhaaniaa.
       गुरमुखि पंथि चलाइ चलणु भाणिआ ।
       Gurmukh has ordained that community (Panth), who moves in the will of Lord.
       ~Vaar 22 Pauri 16, Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji

       The community of Gurmukhs is a separate Nation per your definition? Well how do you explain:

       ਸੰਗਲੁ ਘਤਿ ਚਲਾਈਐ ਜਮ ਪੰਥਿ ਇਕੇਲਾ।
       Sangalu Ghati Chalaaeeai Jam Panthi Ikaylaa.
       संगलु घति चलाईऐ जम पंथि इकेला ।
       Bound in chains, he is forced to walk alone on the way of the Yama, death.
       ~Vaar 34 Pauri 2, Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji

       Lord Yama is a separate nation? Or this word PANTH is meaning PATH or WAY not NATION.

       Also consider that if Gurmukhs are a separate NATION how do you explain Prahlada and Raja Janaka as Gurmukhs according to Gurbani. Are they now SIKHS? How can they be chelay of SIKH Guru Sahibaan and SIKH identity when they existed thousands of years before birth of SIKH Gurus? So you must understand the proper context here, Gurumukhs are those which walk in the way of obedience to true Gurus and God, means they are lead to follow the spiritual path of GOD, and nothing to do with political nations.

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     • Harjas Kaur

       September 17, 2011

       

       “Guru Gobind Singh Says:
       Jab lag Khalsa rahe Nyara, tab lag tez deyo mein sara
       Jab ih gahe vipran ki reet, mein na karoon in ki parteet.

       Vipran mean Brahmanic rituals

       And

       Shatri ko poot ho, brahmn ko nahi:
       Shatri means warrior.”

       So there are no HINDU warriors? Only Hindu is a brahmin? How do you explain Kshatriya dear?
       What is “bipran ki reet” actually MEANING?

       ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣੁ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਜੋ ਬਿੰਦੇ ਹਰਿ ਸੇਤੀ ਰੰਗਿ ਰਾਤਾ ॥
       So Braahaman Breham Jo Bindhae Har Saethee Rang Raathaa ||
       सो ब्राहमणु ब्रहमु जो बिंदे हरि सेती रंगि राता ॥
       He alone is a brahmin, who knows the Lord Brahma, and is attuned to the Love of the Lord.
       ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p. 68

       and also,

       ਬਬਾ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਜਾਨਤ ਤੇ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ॥
       Babaa Breham Jaanath Thae Brehamaa ||
       बबा ब्रहमु जानत ते ब्रहमा ॥
       BABBA: One who knows God is a brahmin.
       ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p. 258

       So if a true brahmana is attached to the Divine Lord, what is TRUE meaning and intent of “bipran ki reet,” other than the hysterical knee-jerk reactionary political anti-Hinduism propaganda which is loaded onto it? because Gurbani does not say a true spiritual brahmin is FALSE! Only corrects hypocrisy and deficiency in the Kali Yuga!

       Guru Arjun Dev Ji says:

       ਅਧਮ ਚੰਡਾਲੀ ਭਈ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਣੀ ਸੂਦੀ ਤੇ ਸ੍ਰੇਸਟਾਈ ਰੇ ॥
       Adhham Chanddaalee Bhee Brehamanee Soodhee Thae Sraesattaaee Rae ||
       अधम चंडाली भई ब्रहमणी सूदी ते स्रेसटाई रे ॥
       The lowly outcaste becomes a brahmin, and the untouchable sweeper becomes pure and sublime.
       ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p. 381

       So how can it be, if the intent and design of the age is that ALL should become pure brahmanas (per Sikh Guru Sahibaan and Gurmat) so cycle can restore to Satyuga…HOW can a brahmin be bad? Therefore, there must be some other meaning then is incorrectly placed in the now propagandistic usage of the phrase “bipran ki reet.”

       And that would be the negative false outer show of worship of a person who is internally not purified, and again speaks to Gurbani teaching that only by Nama Jap in Kaliyuga can a person’s mind and heart Chittha be purified. But this doesn’t mean ritualism per se is bad. in past ages it has purified the human race! What is condemned in Gurbani is substituting ritualism for spiritual transformation, and retaining the bondage of haumai.

       ਮਤੁ ਦੇਖਿ ਭੂਲਾ ਵੀਸਰੈ ਤੇਰਾ ਚਿਤਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਨਾਉ ॥੧॥
       Math Dhaekh Bhoolaa Veesarai Thaeraa chith N Aavai Naao ||1||
       मतु देखि भूला वीसरै तेरा चिति न आवै नाउ ॥१॥
       -seeing this, I might go astray and forget You, and Your Name would not enter into my mind. ||1||
       ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ang 14

       “Sikhs have distinct appearance. They separate religious Granth. In Geeta nothing is said about muslims, In Quaran nothing is said about Hindus. Guru Granth Sahib gave place for all.”

       Now you have fabricated an illogical argument. First I have shown Sikhs appearance actually derives from HINDUS. Now it is a fact, Sikhs have their own Granth. And actually not just one Granth, but three and several separate commentaries, all of which at some time in history or other have been suppressed from the public by Singh Sabha British established “Sikh” authorities. And I refer to Nihang PANTH (not separate religion) traditional practice of doing prakash of the 3 Granths, Adi Guru Granth, Dasam Granth, and Sarbloh Granth. And the commentaries such as Prem Sumarag, Suraj Prakash, Gurbilas, and including Janam and Sau Sakhis and others.

       To be quite frank, Guru Granth Sahib is a translation into Punjabi from Sanskrit and Braj the writings and teachings of not only the Guru’s but Vedas, Puranas and Shastras. Shri Dasam Granth which is written entirely in Braj, High Hindi and Sanskrit contains a translation of the Markandeya Purana of Devi Mahatmyam. So that Guru Gobind Singh wrote:

       ਸਰਬ ਕਾਲ ਹੈ ਪਿਤਾ ਅਪਾਰਾ ॥ ਦੇਬਿ ਕਾਲਿਕਾ ਮਾਤ ਹਮਾਰਾ ॥
       Sarab Kaal Hai Pitaa Apaaraa|| Deb(i) Kaalikaa Maat Hamaaraa||
       सरब काल है पिता अपारा ॥ देबि कालिका मात हमारा ॥
       The All-Steel Lord Kal Bhairaav is Father and Destroyer of all, the Devi kalika is my mother.
       ~Shri Dasam Granth p. 174

       How can you separate Shri Guru Granth Sahib from Sanatan Hindu legacy with such shabads as this:

       ਸਾਵਲ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਰੂਪ ਬਣਾਵਹਿ ਬੇਣੁ ਸੁਨਤ ਸਭ ਮੋਹੈਗਾ ॥੯॥
       Saaval Sundhar Roop Banaavehi Baen Sunath Sabh Mohaigaa ||9||
       सावल सुंदर रूप बणावहि बेणु सुनत सभ मोहैगा ॥९॥
       He assumed the beautiful form of the blue-skinned Krishna; hearing His flute, all are fascinated and enticed. ||9||

       ਬਨਮਾਲਾ ਬਿਭੂਖਨ ਕਮਲ ਨੈਨ ॥
       Banamaalaa Bibhookhan Kamal Nain ||
       बनमाला बिभूखन कमल नैन ॥
       He is adorned with garlands of flowers, with lotus eyes.

       ਸੁੰਦਰ ਕੁੰਡਲ ਮੁਕਟ ਬੈਨ ॥
       Sundhar Kunddal Mukatt Bain ||
       सुंदर कुंडल मुकट बैन ॥
       His ear-rings, crown and flute are so beautiful.

       ਸੰਖ ਚਕ੍ਰ ਗਦਾ ਹੈ ਧਾਰੀ ਮਹਾ ਸਾਰਥੀ ਸਤਸੰਗਾ ॥੧੦॥
       Sankh Chakr Gadhaa Hai Dhhaaree Mehaa Saarathhee Sathasangaa ||10||
       संख चक्र गदा है धारी महा सारथी सतसंगा ॥१०॥
       He carries the conch, the chakra and the war club; He is the Great Charioteer, who stays with His Saints. ||10||

       ਪੀਤ ਪੀਤੰਬਰ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣ ਧਣੀ ॥
       Peeth Peethanbar Thribhavan Dhhanee ||
       पीत पीत्मबर त्रिभवण धणी ॥
       The Lord of yellow robes, the Master of the three worlds.

       ਜਗੰਨਾਥੁ ਗੋਪਾਲੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਭਣੀ ॥
       Jagannaathh Gopaal Mukh Bhanee ||
       जगंनाथु गोपालु मुखि भणी ॥
       The Lord of the Universe, the Lord of the world; with my mouth, I chant His Name.
       ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p. 1082

       “Look how many bhagat baani there is in Guru Granth Ji. Bhagat Kabir JI, BHagat ravidas ji, BHgata farid ji (muslim) etc from different religions and castes (jatt, chmyar, bhramn (Jaidev Ji), Harijan(Balmik) etc)”

       My dear boy, this all comes from Vaishnav (HINDU) Bhagkti movement. Bhagat Kabir Ji was born from family converted during Mughal Raj. the Vaishnav Bhagktas did not discriminate based on caste, and the brahmin Guru Sant Ramanand accepted Sant Kabir for his disciple. Sant Kabir is a famous VAISHNAV HINDU GURU and has own order of Kabir-Panthi Mahants which still worship tulsi. Yes, the Bhagkta movement of HINDU Vaishnavas is where all the bhatts and Bhagats bani comes from. These were all Shaven-headed Raam-naamis, and Krsna bhakts and even included Sufi-sehajiyas which were opposed to the Mughal cruelties. THAT was the company Satguru Nanak Dev Ji kept as EQUALS!~

       What different religions? Let’s not get fanciful dear. there was only one issue at the time, and that was invasion by Mughal Raj into Hindustan and attempting to destroy the practices and beliefs of the HINDUstani people with brutality and forced conversions, and a SANT movement which rose up in protest trying to get people to love each other and be sincerely spiritual and not betray the DHARMA/righteousness.

       The only sole exception to Bhatts and Bhagktas in Gurbani as NOT being Hindu, is baba Farid, a SEHAJIYA SUFI from BHAGKTA Order!~ these Sufis were from largely converted HINDU families and united the hidden esotericism of the Nath Yogis and the Vaishnav Bhagktas with a tolerant version of Islam, still persecuted to the death by Muslims to this day!~

       here is PROOF!

       Sant Kabir wearing Seli Topi and peacock feather (symbolizing Lord Krsna)!~
       

       And also his Guru Swami Ramanand
       

       Separate castes means nothing. You will find separate castes everywhere in Hinduism! The low castes were accepted and elevated by the bhagkti sants and gurus, and even origination of LANGAR! The temple free kitchens serving prasad to all are STILL part of Bhakti Vaishnavism.

       “Guru Granth Sahib have their bani because it does not state any differences for anybody.In Mandir Masjid you not find langar, Only in Gurudwaras (Unity of Sangat and Pangat!!)”

       You are wrong totally. please go back to school. A number of Orders distribute free kitchens in their temples. But historically it is famous that Vaishnav bhakti sect opened arms to all castes, women and even mlecch born hundred years before Guru Nanak Dev Ji was ever born, and is the origin of those saints whose bani is in Gurbani. Traditionally in langar was prepared same way as Vaishnav prasad, with prohibition against serving meat, garlic or onions. Nirmalay and Udasay Gurdwaray still maintain this. Since Singh Sabha times it was changed deliberately to create false disassociation.

       See links:

       Lord Krsna giving prasadam
       

       Prasadam in Vaishnav Mandir
       

       Vaishnav Prasadam, the origin of Langar
       

       Why are Sant Mirabai (woman), Sant Namdev (low-caste), Sant Kabir (mlecch born) all VAISHNAVA HINDUS? If your argument proves only the Sikhism? In reality Sikhism derived from these HINDU origins in concept, philosophy, belief, and practice.

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4. Patrick White

   September 15, 2011

   

   Many of us here in England have Koranic toilet paper, printed with verses from this disgusting book, which we use to wipe our back passages with each and every day.

   I advise the lovely Hindu people to do the same. x

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   • singh

     September 17, 2011

     

     wow what if someone did that with the bible huh. and if someone does that with guru granth sahib ji sikhs will forget their humbleness and beat the living crap out of whoever does that and mister patrick you should be super ashemd of yourself and your ignorance. i pray to god to forgive you and bless you with knowledge,

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   • kaur

     September 17, 2011

     

     *Recognize The Whole Human Race As One -Guru Nanak Dev Ji

     * Whoever does the deeds of the soul, day and night, sees the immaculate Divine Light deep within -Guru Nanak

     *Win over your mind, and you shall win over the world. —Guru Nanak

     *Egotism and possessiveness are very enticing; egotistical pride has plundered everyone -Guru Nanak

     *Practice Truth, Contentment and Kindness; This Is The Most Excellent Way Of Life -Guru Arjan Dev Ji

     *Those who have on thing in their heart and something else in their mouth, are judged to be false -Sheikh Farid

     *Fear No One and Give Fear To No One – Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji

     *To Practice Forgiveness Is the True Fast, Good Conduct and Contentment -Guru Arjan Dev Ji

     *One Gets Hereadter Only What One Gives Here Out Of Honest Earnings -Guru Nanak Dev Ji

     *From the One Light, the entire universe welled up. So who is good, and who is bad ? -Bhagat Kabir Ji

     *If you seek the path of good conduct, forsake greed, and do not look upon another’s property and women -Bhagat Jaidev Ji

     *I Respectively bow to those who have power, yet remain humble -Bhai Gurdas Ji

     *Deep Within the self is the secret, but the fool looks for it outside -Guru Amardas Ji

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   • Jasmit Singh

     July 13, 2012

     

     Dear Patrick, your advise is good but better you clean your back passage fifrst with Bible once..

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5. boudicabpi

   September 15, 2011

   

   And Muslim’s go crazy if a Qur’an is even handled improperly.
   Bob A.

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6. samar

   September 15, 2011

   

   CAN I ASK ONE THING WHEN ALL THE FOUR PERSONS ARE UN IDENTIFIED THEN HOW ANY ONE CAN BLAME THAT THOSE PEOPLE WERE HINDUS…THEY CAN BE MUSLIMS TOO. WHO WANT SIKHS TO GO AGAINST HINDU COMMUNITY…

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7. jaswinder kaur

   September 17, 2011

   

   If Sikhism, is the true religion, how come it was created/revealed 300 years ago, and not at the beginning of time?

   Which religion was created at the beginning of time? Only God existed at the beginning of time and while Sikhism accepts that spiritual progress was open to human beings for many years prior to the arrival of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, only after Guru Nanak Dev Ji came to this world did the pure merger (in Sach Khand) between our soul and God become possible for all, as the Name of God and the Scriptures of God (gurbani) were revealed.

   Humans have existed for tens of thousands of years. They existed in North America and Asia with established cultures 10,000 years ago. That is much before any modern religion. What must have become of those poor souls?

   If we accept the Islamic approach, we have one shot at life. If we’re a success we go to Paradise and if not, we go to Dozak/Hell. But that leaves a lot of questions.

   Is God perfectly Just and fair? If he is, then why are some people born Muslims and other born in other religions? Those people born in other religions will have a much greater struggle and test to become Muslims than those born in Muslim homes. But at the end, the reward is the same: Paradise. So why do some people have to work so much harder for the same result that others earn much more easily? It’s not fair.

   What about babies that are still born and die in the womb? What about babies that die shortly after birth? What purpose did their life have? Why would God create them and let them die so soon? Their life didn’t have any real ‘meaning’ and they faced no real tests nor did they have the opportunity to embrace a faith.

   Finally, going back to the question, what about the millions of people that came before Islam or the Semitic religions or even now, the millions of people that will never be exposed to Islam? Why are they treated so unfairly? What will become of them?

   Sikhism has the answer to all these questions. The soul proceeds on a path through many lives. When it is ready, it finds Sikhism and is able to be liberated through meditation on Naam. If someone is good but hasn’t received Naam, then maybe in their next life they will be given the opportunity. No one is consigned to eternal Hell. Those souls that came before Sikhism were on a path preparing themselves to receive the divine revelation. As they become ready, they will now get the opportunity to learn of Sikhism and be saved.

   As for your questions about Guru Nanak: Mohammed was not born a “Muslim” and Christ was not born a Christian. Guru Nanak was born in a Hindu household but did not accept any Hindu ritual even in childhood including the ‘sacred thread’, etc. Guru Nanak tells how he was summoned to God’s court and assigned the duty of spreading Naam and being God’s messanger. The ang (page) with one example of such a verse is 150. Guru Nanak then took this divine message further than any other “Prophet”. He travelled as far as China, Sri Lanka. Russia and Turkey. He may have travelled farther but historical proofs exist for the countries mentioned.

   Guru Nanak’s companion, Mardana was indeed a Sikh. The story of how he became a Sikh and the conditions he accepted are also recorded. In fact, when he died, he was cremated by Guru Nanak. If he were Muslim, he would have been buried.

   Guru Nanak coined the phrase “Sikh” and used it to describe those on the Path of “Gurmat”.

   As for revealing the “holy book”, Guru Nanak’s verses are the “holy book”. As he was receiving them, he wrote them in his own hand. What further proof does one need?

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8. kaur

   September 17, 2011

   

   Sikhism does contain many unique postulates and principles that are quite different from both Hinduism and Islam. Joseph D. Cunningham (1812-1851), the author of “A History of the Sikhs” (1848), observed: “It has been usual to regard the Sikhs as essentially Hindu… yet in religious faith and worldly aspiration, they are wholly different from other Indians, and they are bound together by an objective unknown elsewhere.”

   Sikhism originated from the teachings of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Guru Ji obtained his message direct from the One Timeless Lord and sought to put the masses on to the righteous path towards realisation of God through meditation, sharing the fruits of your honest work and loving your fellow man, it is in no way derivative of any philosophy or religious thought. Guru Ji, on one hand sought to show the people the futility of the Caste system, of idol worship of inequality of the genders so inherent in Hinduism, and on the other, the cruelty of aggressive and forcible conversions and the inhumane treatment of ones fellow man.

   An incorrect statement is often made by some scholars who observe the Sikh faith only from a distance. The scholars often state that Sikhism is a combination of good points from Hinduism and Islam. Such misleading statements conceal the fact that Sikhism is a sovereign faith revealed by God through Guru Nanak Dev Ji and the next nine Gurus. It is understandable that some beliefs can be similar however Sikhism has no links with the beliefs of other faiths including Hinduism and Islam. One can find great similarities between Christianity and Islam, does that mean Islam is a part of Christianity? As proclaimed by God, Guru Nanak Dev Ji introduced a true immaculate way in order to attain salvation and be one with God. Whoever followed the way of Guru Nanak Dev Ji was known as Sikh. Many Hindus and Muslims renounced their faith to become Sikh and follow Guru Nanak Dev Ji’s teachings.

   Sikhism has a concept called sewa. Sewa means to do selfless service to your Guru or the congregation (sangat). As the Guru resides in the congregation as ‘Guru Sangat’ then any service to the sangat is service to the Guru. Other faiths have service, the Christians have soup kitchens and so on, but the concept in Sikhism is unique. From the outset Guru Gobind Singh Ji declared that he would reside in the sangat and if any one wished to meet him then they should do selfless service to the sangat and it would reach him. Hence in the Gurdwaras across the world individuals busy themselves dusting and cleaning the shoes of the sangat, they stand in the Gurdwara wafting large fans over the sitting congregation, they clean and wash and sweep in true devotion. The free kitchen (langar) in which any person can partake extends from this basic concept. All offerings that you bring to the gurdwara that are used in the langar and end up in the mouths of the sangat ultimately reach Guru Sahib Ji. This concept is not found in any other faith on

   Earth. In the free kitchen all are expected to sit side by side and eat the same simple meal. In Islam you are not allowed to enter many of their sites, women are also restricted. A Hindu Brahmin will not sit next to a Suddra or low caste, yet in Sikhism when Emperor Babur came to pay his respects he was first asked to sit with the common man and eat langar before Guru Ji would meet him.

   The whole idea of Naam Simran is unique to Sikhism. There is no such thing in any of the Semitic faiths, the closest would be Hinduism but this is also greatly lacking. The path as described by Guru Nanak Dev Ji is unique, it is full of love and devotion for the Almighty. It expects not only true and clean living by an individual but also to remember the Lord with each and every breath. To simar, repeat, His name with ones soul, so that countless lifetimes of sins can be washed away.

   I do not keep fasts, nor do I observe the month of Ramadaan. I serve only the One, who will protect me in the end. The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah. He administers justice to both Hindus and Muslims. I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines. I serve the One Lord, and not any other. I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers. I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim. My body and breath of life belong to Allah – to Raam – the God of both. Says Kabeer, this is what I say: meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji)
   The concept of God is unique in Sikhism.

   My Lord Himself in the tablet, Himself the pen, and Himself the writing upon it. He Himself is the balance, Himself the weights and Himself the weigher. He Himself sees, judges, and is the trader. God Himself is the author, pen, book and the reader. He Himself is the plot and the characters. There is nothing anywhere that is not the Lord. Whatever we see, hear, or touch, it is all He. (ang 1291)

   God dwells in everyone’s heart and is imminent in the whole universe. God is everywhere all the time. He is the ocean in which we, His little fish, play and live our lives. He is the centre of each heart, He is the eternal companion. Seated in everyone’s heart, God sees all and, with a look of grace, moves all. This concept rules out any links with Islam as their vengeful God created the world but lives apart, hence how can Sikhism be an amalgamation of Islam and Hinduism?

   The ordinary Sikh regards all humanity as friend and loves to socialize with the Hindu as well as with other fellow human beings. This sentiment sadly is not reciprocated. It is a well know fact that Swami Dayanand, – the 19th century reformer – was born and brought up in Gujarat, educated in Madhya Pradesh and traveled to Bengal, but his movement, Arya Samaj could not take roots anywhere in these liberal regions. During his retched life Swami Dayanand started using low level abusive terminology for the Sikh Gurus, especially Guru Nanak Dev ji, the fountainhead of Sikhism. When the Sikhs awoke from their slumber of complacence the result was severe opposition of the Swami, which ultimately divided the harmonious life of Punjabis in two warring camps who, up to day, are not at peace with one another. So much so that Bhai Kahn Singh had to write a book – ‘Hum Hindu Nahin’- I am not a Hindu. Through a well-planned Hindutva programme, the Sikhs are reminded that since words like Ram and Krishna have been used many times in Guru Granth sahib Ji and there is mention of many other gods and goddesses in the Sikh literature, the Sikh religion is nothing but an offshoot of Hinduism. Innocent and less-informed people have started accepting this premise, and are attending the assemblies of the deceitful RSS. One question may be asked of these hysterical nationalists. The whole world knows that Christ was born in a Jewish family and thus Christianity sprang out of Judaism. In the Holy Quran and prophets of Judaism and Christianity have been remembered with great respect and regard. Could the zealots of the new found Indian nationalism say on this basis that the Muslim is a Jew, or the Jews are nothing but Christians? All middle-East Religions are accepted as different and distinct from each other. But the punishment to Sikhism for using the names of Ram, Krishna and the inspiring episodes of their lives is that Sikhs should brand themselves as Hindus!

   But the pivot of Sikh thought frame is Sri Guru Granth sahib Ji, the only Indian scripture which, after having salvaged the Indian people from the bottom of ritualistic delusions, teaches us the art of dignified living. Guru Granth Sahib Ji opens the gates of equality for all so-called high and low people. To respect somebody and to accept him as God are altogether different aspect. It is one of the basic premises of Sikhism that God is self born and, by his nature, cannot be born or die in a human form. Yet Sikhism does not show any disrespect to the gods and goddesses of great epics who are held in veneration in the hearts and the Hindu people. It is a credit to the great secure hearts of the Sikhs that they have no problem with respect of Shivji, Brahma or Vishnu, it is a great pity that this respect is not shown in return.

   You tear off the leaves, O gardener, but in each and every leaf, there is life. That stone idol, for which you tear off those leaves – that stone idol is lifeless. In this, you are mistaken, O gardener. The True Guru is the Living Lord.
   Brahma is in the leaves, Vishnu is in the branches, and Shiva is in the flowers. When you pluck these leaves, three gods are torn off – then whose service are you performing?
   The sculptor carves the stone and fashions it into an idol, placing his feet upon its chest. If this stone god was true, it would devour the sculptor for this!
   Rice and beans, candies, cakes and cookies – the priest enjoys these, while he puts ashes into the mouth of the idol. The gardener is mistaken, and the world is mistaken, but I am not mistaken. Says Kabeer, the Lord preserves me; the Lord, my King, has showered His Blessings upon me. (Guru Granth sahib Ji)

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   • Harjas Kaur

     September 17, 2011

     

     Dear Kaur, It seems your article is geared towards Islam. Regardless you have made several errors. Wondering if you’d like to evaluate and discuss them?

     Kaur said: “Whoever followed the way of Guru Nanak Dev Ji was known as Sikh. Many Hindus and Muslims renounced their faith to become Sikh and follow Guru Nanak Dev Ji’s teachings.”

     No one renounced anything at all to accept deekhya with Guru Sahibaan. Only in the abrahamic faiths is renunciation required, and imitating that the Singh Sabha reform scholars had added that to their modern, comprehensive Sikh Rehat Maryada. They did not renounce because the Guru Sahibaan did not teach anything like Islam with it’s credal One True Religion, hence no others were “false.”

     ਗੁਰ ਦੀਖਿਆ ਲੇ ਜਪੁ ਤਪੁ ਕਮਾਹਿ ॥
     Gur dheekhiaa Lae Jap Thap Kamaahi ||
     गुर दीखिआ ले जपु तपु कमाहि ॥
     You have received the Guru’s Teachings – now practice meditation and penance.
     ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p. 356

     now compare:

     diksha-purascarya-vidhi apeksha na kare
     jihva-sparse a-candala sabare uddhare
     “One does not have to undergo initiation or execute the activities required before initiation. One simply has to vibrate the holy name with his lips. Thus even a man in the lowest class [candala] can be delivered.”
     ~Sri Caitanya Caritamrita Madhya 15.108

     Diksha is Dheekiaa. Nama Jap comes from Sanatan Dharma. The same concept that the lowest castes can chant the Holy Names and achieve Mukti is not unique to Guru Granth Sahib. The concept of vibrating the Holy Names is not unique to Sikhi, in fact these are very ancient concepts going back to the eternal religion which derives from the Shruti, vibrates into this sansaar from the Shabda Parabrahmha (sargun manifestation of the Ek Akshara Omkara, the One Divine Sound which has created the creation and all-pervades it.

     Now, Gurbani talks about initiation, received from a guru, this word DHEEKIAA. And although the Holy Names are powerful enough to deliver someone without initiation, Vaishnavism also teaches:

     ato gurum pranamyaivam sarva-svam vinivedya ca
     grihniyad vaishnavam mantram diksha-purvam vidhanatah
     “It is the duty of every human being to surrender to a bona fide spiritual master. Giving him everything — body, mind and intelligence — one must take Vaishnava initiation from him.”
     ~Hari-bhakti-vilasa 2.10

     “vaishnavam mantram diksha”

     You are aware that Sikhism HAS a VAISHNAVA MANTRA which has been imparted through DIKSHA?

     ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜਨਮ ਸਕਾਰਥਾ ਗੁਰ ਸਿਖ ਮਿਲਿ ਗੁਰਸਰਣੀ ਆਇਆ।
     Guramoukhi Janamu Sakaaradaa Gurasikh Mili Gurasaranee Aaiaa.
     गुरमुखि जनमु सकारथा गुरसिख मिलि गुरसरणी आइआ ।
     The life of that gurmukh is fortunate whom meeting some Sikh of the Guru has come to the shelter of the Guru.

     ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖ ਆਦੇਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਸਫਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਗੁਰ ਦਰਸਨੁ ਪਾਇਆ।
     Aadi Purakh Aadaysu Kari Saphal Moorati Guradarasanu Paaiaa.
     आदि पुरख आदेसु करि सफल मूरति गुरदरसनु पाइआ ।
     He bows before primeval Purusa (God) and becomes blessed after having the sight of such a Guru.

     ਪਰਦਖਣਾ ਡੰਡਉਤ ਕਰਿ ਮਸਤਕੁ ਚਰਣ ਕਮਲ ਗੁਰ ਲਾਇਆ।
     Paradakhanaa Dandaout Kari Masataku Charan Kaval Gur Laaiaa.
     परदखणा डंडउत करि मसतकु चरण कवल गुर लाइआ ।
     After circumambulation he bows on the lotus feet of Guru.

     ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪੁਰਖ ਦਇਆਲ ਹੋਇ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਸਚੁ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ੍ਰੁ ਸੁਣਾਇਆ।
     Satiguru Purakh Daiaalu Hoi Vaahiguroo Sachu Mantr Sounaaiaa.
     सतिगुरु पुरख दइआलु होइ वाहिगुरू सचु मंत्र सुणाइआ ।
     Becoming kind, the Guru recites true mantra Vaheguru for him.
     ~Vaar 11, Pauri 3, Bhai Gurdas Ji

     So we see from Vaaran of Bhai Gurdas ji that a formal process of initiation took place before the dedhari forms of the Guru Sahibaan, (and included charan pahul) and since time of Guru Gobind Singh has been replaced by Amrit Sanchar which is also an initiation. But instead of calling as DIKSHA (which it is) has since Singh Sabha reform to politically distance from Hindu roots, called as the Abrahamic “baptism” which it isn’t. Baptism of Christians is based on Mikvah ceremony of Judaism and neither of which bears any relation whatsoever to initiation of belonging as a chela of a Guru.

     Waheguru mantar
     ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ
     ਸਤਿਜੁਗ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਵਾਸਦੇਵ ਵਵਾ ਵਿਸਨਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ।
     Satijougi Satigur Vaasadayv Vavaa Visanaa Naamu Japaavai.
     सतिजुगि सतिगुर वासदेव ववा विसना नामु जपावै ।
     In Satyug, Visnu in the form of Vasudev is said to have incarnated and ‘V’ Of Vahiguru reminds of Visnu.

     ਦੁਆਪੁਰਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਹਰੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਹਾਹਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ।
     Duaapari Satigur Haree Krisan Haahaa Hari Hari Naamu Japaavai.
     दुआपरि सतिगुर हरी क्रिसन हाहा हरि हरि नामु जपावै ।
     The true Guru of dvapar is said to be Harikrsna and ‘H’ of Vahiguru reminds of Hari.

     ਤ੍ਰੇਤੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਰਾਮ ਜੀ ਰਾਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਜਪੇ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਵੈ।
     Taytay Satigur Raam Jee Raaraa Raam Japay Soukhu Paavai.
     तेते सतिगुर राम जी रारा राम जपे सुखु पावै ।
     In the the treta was Ram and ‘R’ of Vahiguru tells that rembering Ram will produce joy and happiness.

     ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਗਗਾ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਲਾਵੈ*।
     Kalijougi Naanak Gur Gobind Gagaa Gobind Naamu Alaavai.
     कलिजुगि नानक गुर गोबिंद गगा गोबिंद नामु अलावै ।
     In kalijug, Gobind is in the form of Nanak and ‘G’ of Vahiguru gets Govind recited.

     ਚਾਰੇ ਜਾਗੇ ਚਹੁ ਜੁਗੀ ਪੰਚਾਇਣ ਵਿਚਿ ਜਾਇ ਸਮਾਵੈ।
     Chaaray Jaagay Chahu Jougee Panchaain Vichi Jaai Samaavai.
     चारे जागे चहु जुगी पंचाइण विचि जाइ समावै ।
     The recitations o f all the four ages subsume in Panchayan i.e. in the soul of the common man.

     ਚਾਰੋ ਅਛਰ ਇਕੁ ਕਰਿ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜਪੁ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਜਪਾਵੈ*।
     Chaaro Achhar Iku Kari Vaahaguroo Japu Mantr Japaavai.
     चारो अछर इकु करि वाहगुरू जपु मंत्र जपावै ।
     When joining four letters Vahiguru is remembered,

     ਜਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਉਪਜਿਆ ਫਿਰਿ ਤਹਾਂ ਸਮਾਵੈ ॥੪੯॥੧॥
     Jahaa Tay Oupajiaa Dhiri Tahaa Samaavai ॥49॥1॥
     जहा ते उपजिआ फिरि तहा समावै ॥४९॥१॥
     The jiv merges again in its origin.
     ~Vaar 1, Pauri 49, Bhai Gurdas Ji

     So WHY is this a VAISHNAV MANTRA?
     Vishnu, Vasudev, Hare Krishna, Govind, Rama are the beej syllables of Vaheguru per the “kinji” of the Adi Guru Granth Sahib, Bhai Gurdas Ji. Take a closer look what it means:

     “In Satyug, Visnu in the form of Vasudev is said to have incarnated”
     Who is Vishnu? Who is Vasudev?

     “The traditional explanation of the name Viṣṇu involves the root viś, meaning “to settle” (cognate with Latin vicus, English -wich “village”), or also (in the Rigveda) “to enter into, to pervade”, glossing the name as “the All-Pervading One”.[citation needed] An early commentator on the Vedas, Yaska, in his Nirukta, defines Vishnu as vishnu vishateh “one who enters everywhere”, and yad vishito bhavati taddjwojopwjepq, “that which is free from fetters and bondages is Vishnu.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishnu

     dhātā vidhātā jagatāṁ
     vāsudevas tataḥ prabhuḥ
     “The Supreme Lord is the creator and regulator of all the worlds (every vāsa, or abode), and thus He is called Vāsudeva.”
     ~Brahma Purana

     sa hovaca. brahma sadhu prishto’smi
     sarva shruti rahasyam gopyam tac
     chrinu yena kali samsaram tarishyasi.
     Lord Brahma replied, “You have asked the most important and relevant question for the benefit of humanity. I will tell you now the most concealed secret of the Vedic literatures, with the help of which everyone can easily cross this most dangerous age of Kali.

     bhagavata adi purushasya narayanasya
     namoccharana matrena nirdhta kalir bhavati
     “Simply by chanting the transcendental names of the original enjoyer and the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Narayana, all the sins will be cleansed in Kali-yuga.”

     narada punah papraccha tan nama kim iti.
     Narada Muni again asked,“Which are those specific names of the Lord which are most effective in Kali-yuga?”

     Purport by Swami Gaurangapada:
     This is a very important question for all of us. Everyone should ask this question before taking up the chanting process. Narada Muni is now asking for our benefit about the specific mantra which one should chant to become purified of all sins in Kali-yuga. If one accepts the chanting process after properly understanding the authencity and power of the maha-mantra, then one will never be deviated or cheated and thus one will be assured of all perfection. (Purport ends)

     sa hovaca hiranyagarbah
     hare krishna hare krishna, krishna krishna hare hare.
     hare rama hare rama, rama rama hare hare;
     iti shodashakam namnam, kali-kalmasha-nashanam;
     natah parataropayah, sarva-vedeshu drishyate.
     Lord Brahma replied, “The sixteen words-Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna
     Krishna, Hare Hare; Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare-are especially meant for completely destroying all the contamination of Kali. To save oneself from the contamination of Kali-yuga, there is no alternative in all the Vedas except the chanting of this sixteen-word mantra.”

     So In Vaishnavism based on Puranas, Hare Krishna, Hare Rama is given as the Mahamantra.

     Vishnu, Vasudev, Gobind, Rama = Waheguru. VAISHNAV (HINDU) MANTRA!~

     Nama Japa = HINDU
     Guru-Shishya = HINDU
     God which is Niragun and Sargun = HINDU
     reincarnation = HINDU
     Seva = HINDU
     langar based on Prasadam = HINDU
     concept of mukti = HINDU
     concept of Jiva = HINDU
     Jivanmukt = HINDU
     narak-Surag = HINDU
     Chir and gupt = HINDU
     Prahlada = HINDU
     Raja Janaka = HINDU
     teachings of Dasam duaara = HINDU
     tying hairs in topknot/joora = HINDU
     God as Gopala, Govinda = HINDU
     God incarnating as Das Avtaray = HINDU
     Simran from Sanskrit Smarana = HINDU
     Mantras = HINDU
     Sankirtan = HINDU
     Mahamantra = HINDU

     ਮਹਾ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਗੁਰ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਬਸਿਓ ਅਚਰਜ ਨਾਮੁ ਸੁਨਿਓ ਰੀ ॥੩॥
     Mehaa Manthra Gur Hiradhai Basiou Acharaj Naam Suniou Ree ||3||
     महा मंत्रु गुर हिरदै बसिओ अचरज नामु सुनिओ री ॥३॥
     The Guru has implanted the maha mantra, the Great mantra, within my heart, and I have heard the wondrous Naam, the Name of the Lord. ||3||
     ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p. 384

     Kaur said: “Sikhism has a concept called sewa.”

     You really do need to do some study. Seva is a Sanskrit word. It’s meanings are clearly part of Sanatana Dharma.

     etad eva hi devā gāyanti —
     aho amīṣāḿ kim akāri śobhanaḿ
     prasanna eṣāḿ svid uta svayaḿ hariḥ
     yair janma labdhaḿ nṛṣu bhāratājire
     mukunda-sevaupayikaḿ spṛhā hi naḥ
     Since the human form of life is the sublime position for spiritual realization, all the demigods in heaven speak in this way: How wonderful it is for these human beings to have been born in the land of Bhārata-varṣa. They must have executed pious acts of austerity in the past, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself must have been pleased with them. Otherwise, how could they engage in devotional service in so many ways? We demigods can only aspire to achieve human births in Bhārata-varṣa to execute devotional service, but these human beings are already engaged there.
     ~Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 5.19.21

     sevaupayikaḿ – your root of seva, devotional service.

     Kaur said: “Other faiths have service, the Christians have soup kitchens and so on, but the concept in Sikhism is unique.”

     Your problem is comparative Abrahamic religions. We are discussing Bharatiya faiths. Prasad which is the basis of langar has nothing to do with Christian soup kitchens, because what is given in both prasadam and as langar is blessed by Guru! Empowered by spiritual Presence.

     Kaur said: “All offerings that you bring to the gurdwara that are used in the langar and end up in the mouths of the sangat ultimately reach Guru Sahib Ji. This concept is not found in any other faith on”

     You are very wrong and should educate to correct yourself. Start by taking the words and concepts from Gurbani and discovering their Sanskrit equivalents. I have answer posted above with links to photos of Vaishnavs sharing prasadam in Mandirs, you will kindly note it is IDENTICAL to what developed later as Langar of Sikhs, reason for relationship? Sikhism is derivative from the Vaishnavism of the Bhagktas and Bhatts whose bani is in Gurbani.

     Kaur said: “During his retched life Swami Dayanand started using low level abusive terminology for the Sikh Gurus,”

     Arya Samaj is a modern sect. It is not representative of Sanatan Dharma teachings, and I for one do not agree with it. What you mentioned is a political squabble unrelated to philosophy or religion. You say Hinduism is something no one can describe, and then try to describe it as some Swami and some sect politically adversarial to Sikhs in modern-times. And that’s because you are utterly ignorant of the foundational concepts of Hindu Dharma.

     kaur said: “It is a myriad of beliefs with a dazzling array of gods and goddesses with devotes of each locked in performing worship to each deity. Some pooja Shiv Ji, Ganash, Hanuman others go for Durga mata or Kali. Some take a different route and worship snakes, rats, elephants or monkeys, each person choosing his or her own route to salvation. Sikhs do not look down on Hindus, they have chosen a route, albeit a long one, but for a Sikh the only true path to the Almighty One God is one of Gurmat, the path laid by Guru Nanak Dev Ji and the nine Guru’s culminating in the miracle of Guru Granth Sahib Ji.”

     Oh but modern-day Sikhs do look down on Hindus. This false description is perfect example. Hindu’s worshhip the same god, Gurbani explains this from cover to cover. We all worship the all-pervading Ek Akshara Omkara which vibrates into sansaara from the Primal Nada. The Absolute Parabrahmha has created the material universe of Pakriti consisting of thrai gunas, rajo, tamo, sattvo. The God pervades all the creation, even an elephant and an ant, and demi-gods. but the Devatay and avtaray are only opulances of the Absolute Supreme which is beyond comprehension and without form, undying, beyond birth. Sound familiar? Lord Krsna and Lord Rama are Purna avatars and hence their NAMAS (since no one can jap the Naams of the nirguna) are able to give mukti.

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9. kaur

   September 17, 2011

   

   sikh people are the best people in the whole world , There is one supreme eternal reality; the truth; immanent in all things; creator of all things; immanent in creation. Without fear and without hatred; not subject to time; beyond birth and death; self-revealing. Known by the Guru’s grace.[32]

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   • kaur

     September 17, 2011

     

     *Deep Within the self is the secret, but the fool looks for it outside -Guru Amardas Ji

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10. kaur

    September 17, 2011

    

    HARJAS KAUR?????. I CAN SEE FROM YOUR COMMENTS THAT YOU ARE A HINDU AND NOT A SIKH !!! THIS WEBSITE IS ALSO FALSE.
    DO. NOT TRY AND pretend that u are a A SIKH AS ALL SIKH KNOW THAT HARJAS IS NOT EVEN A SIKH NAME.

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    • Harjas Kaur

      September 18, 2011

      

      “DO. NOT TRY AND pretend that u are a A SIKH AS ALL SIKH KNOW THAT HARJAS IS NOT EVEN A SIKH NAME.”

      Is it? And what do you call Harimandir Sahib, not a Sikh name? What about Satguru Harkrishan? Also not a Sikh name? Satguru Hargobind? Not Sikh? Please get basic education and answer the points which I posted in rebuttal instead of an articles tailored to comparing Abrahamic religion and philosophy which does not exist in Shri Guru Granth Sahib ji. Some 8,000 times name of God is given as Har in Guru Granth Sahib, and also instruction from Guru Sahibaan to praise him. Or don’t you read Guru Granth Sahib? I received this name from Hukamnama, and now you want to insult even that in your fanatically anti-Hindu ignorance. Read Gurbani, then say Harjas is no part of Sikhism.

      ਮਨ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਵਹਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਸੁ ਕਹਤ
      Man Sukh Paavehi Har Har Jas Kehath ||
      मन सुखु पावहि हरि हरि जसु कहत ॥
      O mind, chant the Praises of the Lord, Har, Har, and find peace.
      ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ang 270

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    • Harjas Kaur

      September 18, 2011

      

      Kaur said: “As can be seen Guru Sahib Ji put his faith in God alone and regarded Krishan Bhagwan Ji, Sri Ram Chandra Ji and Durga to be creations of God. So why would Guru Sahib Ji every worship.”

      You have lost the entire philosophy. Gurbani says:

      ਨਿਰਗੁਣੁ ਸਰਗੁਣੁ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਮੇਰਾ ਕੋਈ ਹੈ ਜੀਉ ਆਣਿ ਮਿਲਾਵੈ ਜੀਉ ॥੧॥
      niragun Saragun Har Har Maeraa Koee Hai Jeeo Aan Milaavai Jeeo ||1||
      निरगुणु सरगुणु हरि हरि मेरा कोई है जीउ आणि मिलावै जीउ ॥१॥
      My Lord, Har, Har, is both absolute and related, unmanifest and manifest; is there anyone who can come and unite me with Him? ||1||
      ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ang 98

      The God, Har, is BOTH nirgun and sargun. So first of all, you cannot say the God is ONLY nirguna, as the Abrahamics do and claim every other is false. Gurbani NOWHERE describes devatay as false, like Abrahamics do. Tuuk is asking how to unite with the God. How can this be done if God is only nirguna, without form, without Nama, incomprehensible to human senses? So you have to understand that Absolute God which is beyond form created the creation, pervades the creation, manifests through the devatay and avtaray. This is Hindu Mat, in particular, Vaishnav sampraday.

      Look, the words, the concepts nirgun and sargun come from Sanskrit.

      jñānam ekaḿ parācīnair
      indriyair brahma nirguṇam
      avabhāty artha-rūpeṇa
      bhrāntyā śabdādi-dharmiṇā
      Those who are averse to the Transcendence realize the Supreme Absolute Truth differently through speculative sense perception, and therefore, because of mistaken speculation, everything appears to them to be relative.
      ~Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 3.32.28

      Thousands of years before Satguru Nanak Dev ji was ever born, these teachings exist in Sanathan Dharma.

      brahma nirguṇam

      As the ekam, ONE Absolute Supreme Which is without form, nirguṇam, imperceivable to human senses, indriyair.

      ਗੁਰੁ ਅਗੋਚਰੁ ਨਿਰਮਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਜੇਵਡੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥
      Gur agochar Niramalaa Gur Jaevadd Avar N Koe ||
      गुरु अगोचरु निरमला गुर जेवडु अवरु न कोइ ॥
      The Guru is Imperceptible, Immaculate and Pure. There is no other as great as the Guru.
      ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p. 52

      When Gurbani is discussing the Guru as agochar, means “imperceivable to human sense organs” It is describing the Supreme God which is nirguna. Yet, how can that which is nirguna be described as Guru, a teacher? And only way is that Guru God MANIFESTS in the creation. And this manifestation is called sarguna, because it is taking form in order that beings may perceive and may obtain mukti. That is sole purpose of a Guru! But the power behind a Satguru is the GREAT GURU, which in Absolute essence is imperceivable and infinite.

      Aum Iti Ek Akshara Brahman
      Aum that one syllable is Brahman
      ~From Gayatri Mantra

      The creation comes from this Ek Akshara Shabda Parabhramha, also known as pranava.

      ਅਖਰੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਖਰੀ ਸਾਲਾਹ ॥
      akharee Naam akharee Saalaah ||
      अखरी नामु अखरी सालाह ॥
      From the Word, comes the Naam; from the Word, comes Your Praise.
      ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ang 4

      “The Sanskrit name for the syllable is praṇava, from a root nu “to shout, sound”, verbal pra-nu- being attested as “to make a humming or droning sound” in the Brahmanas, and taking the specific meaning of “to utter the syllable aum” in the Chāndogya Upanishad and the Shrauta Sutras. More rarely used terms are akṣara (lit. symbol, character) or ekākṣara (lit. one symbol, character), and in later times omkāra becomes prevalent.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Om

      Ek Akshara is the Shabda Brahman
      Ek Omkara is the sound current vibrating out of the primal Nada to create the creation.
      It is the basis of mantras, Guru Vaak and Shabads. (Shabda Brahman is God in sarguna as SOUND CURRENT.)

      “The word mantra derives from the Sanskrit expression ‘mananaath thraayathe’ which loosely means “a transforming thought”; literally, “that which, when thought, carries one across [the worldly ocean of sorrow]”…
      In the yoga tradition, Aum is the most sacred of holy words, the supreme mantra. Aum is also called the Pranava, a Sanskrit word which means both controller of life force (prana) and life-giver (infuser of prana). “That which causes all the pranas to prostrate themselves before and get merged in the Paramatman, so as to attain identity with Him, is for that reason known as the Pranava.” – Atharvashikha Upanishad 1:10a.[1] Aum is called the Shabda Brahman – God as Sound/Vibration.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pranava_yoga

      ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਵੇਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਈ ॥
      Guramukh Naadhan Guramukh Vaedhan Guramukh Rehiaa Samaaee ||
      गुरमुखि नादं गुरमुखि वेदं गुरमुखि रहिआ समाई ॥
      The Guru’s Word is the Sound-current of the Naad; the Guru’s Word is the Wisdom of the Vedas; the Guru’s Word is all-pervading.

      ਗੁਰੁ ਈਸਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਰਖੁ ਬਰਮਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬਤੀ ਮਾਈ ॥
      Gur Eesar Gur Gorakh Baramaa Gur Paarabathee Maaee ||
      गुरु ईसरु गुरु गोरखु बरमा गुरु पारबती माई ॥
      The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Vishnu and Brahma; the Guru is Paarvati and Lakhshmi.
      ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ang 2

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    • Harjas Kaur

      September 18, 2011

      

      Karu said: “DO. NOT TRY AND pretend that u are a A SIKH”

      You do not know what a Sikh even is, even if you chakk amrit and wear bana and kakkars.

      ਗੁਰ ਚੇਲੇ ਕੀ ਸੰਧਿ ਮਿਲਾਏ ॥
      Gur Chaelae Kee Sandhh Milaaeae ||
      गुर चेले की संधि मिलाए ॥
      The Guru and His disciple are joined together!

      ਦੀਖਿਆ ਦਾਰੂ ਭੋਜਨੁ ਖਾਇ ॥
      Dheekhiaa Dhaaroo Bhojan Khaae ||
      दीखिआ दारू भोजनु खाइ ॥
      One who eats this food, this medicine of the Teachings,

      ਛਿਅ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਸੋਝੀ ਪਾਇ ॥੪॥੫॥
      Shhia Dharasan Kee Sojhee Paae ||4||5||
      छिअ दरसन की सोझी पाइ ॥४॥५॥
      Has the wisdom of the six Shaastras. ||4||5||
      ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji pp. 877-878

      Do you have any knowledge of the Shastras at all?

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11. jas kaur

    September 29, 2011

    

    The Magic Of Sikhism

    Sikhism is the closest religion to God and thats not a comment by a Sikh many none Sikhs upon discovering the Sikh religion have been overcome with bliss and peace and a serenity which us Sikhs already know is only available in the Sikh religion. Below are a few comments by none Sikhs on Sikhism

    Swami Nitya Nand, author of Guru Gyan

    Swami Nitya Nand (expired at the age of 135 years) writes in his book Guru Gyan:

    “I, in the company of my Guru Swami Brahma Nanda, while on a pilgrimage tour, reached Punjab. There we met Swami Satya Nanda, Udaasi (a Hindu ascetic) He expounded Guru Nanak’s philosophy and religiosity so eloquently that Swami Brahma Nanda experienced spiritual bliss. During the visit to the Golden temple in Amritsar his soul was so impressed that he became Guru’s devotee. After sojourn in Punjab we went to Hardwar. One day I saw tears in his eyes, though he was healthy. When asked about it he answered, “I have sifted sand all my life. The truth dwells in the house of Guru Nanak. I have to take another birth in that house then only I will attain Mukti (salvation). As he said that his spirit passed away.

    I too contemplate incessantly on Wahéguru (wonderful God) as manifested by Guru Nanak. For many years I practiced Yoga Aasnas taught by Yogis, but the rapture and serenity I feel now was never attained before. ”

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    Swami Nitya Nand used to practice Yoga in order to attain God. But he couldn’t attain him with his yogic lessons. He writes at one place that when he meditated according to the principles of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji he was able to achieve God. He writes that as he remembered God as told in Gurbani, he was able to attain spiritual peace which yoga was not able to provide. So this Swami criticizes yoga as a means to attain God and spiritual peace. He too becomes a follower of Guru Granth Sahib Ji which is the ultimate source of delight for him. It gives tranquility to his mind and soul.

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    • Harjas Kaur

      September 29, 2011

      

      Only Abrahamics think they have one truth and all else must convert to it. There is one Supreme Divine who has created diversity and pervades the diversity in benign tolerance. there will always be saints and enlightened souls regardless of “beliefs” because unlike Abrahamic teachings, it’s not what you confess/profess or believe in that makes you, but the connection to God received by Nama Japa. Only the NAAM is the way to mukti in the age of kali Yuga. this is the teaching of the Shastras. this is the teaching of Adi Guru Granth Sahib. And no one which thinks only yoga classes or philosophy or conversion to this or that will become enlightened by the definition of enlightenment.

      ਕਲ ਮੈ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨਾਮ ਤੇ ਪਾਵਤ ਗੁਰੁ ਯਹ ਭੇਦੁ ਬਤਾਵੈ ॥
      Kal Mai Mukath Naam Thae Paavath Gur Yeh Bhaedh Bathaavai ||
      कल मै मुकति नाम ते पावत गुरु यह भेदु बतावै ॥
      In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, liberation comes from the Naam. The Guru has revealed this secret.
      ~Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p. 831

      hari om. dvaparante narada brahmanam
      jagama katham bhagavan gam
      paryatana kalim santareyam iti. [1]

      “Hari Om! After travelling all over the world, Shrila Narada Muni approached Lord Brahma (his own father and guru) during the time when Dvapara-yuga was about to end. He asked him, “O Lord! How will all the living entities be able to deliver themselves from the most degraded age of Kali which is about to begin.”

      sa hovaca. brahma sadhu prishto’smi
      sarva shruti rahasyam gopyam tac
      chrinu yena kali samsaram tarishyasi.[2]

      Lord Brahma replied, “You have asked the most important and relevant question for the benefit of humanity. I will tell you now the most concealed secret of the Vedic literatures, with the help of which everyone can easily cross this most dangerous age of Kali.

      bhagavata adi purushasya narayanasya
      namoccharana matrena nirdhta kalir bhavati [3]

      “Simply by chanting the transcendental names of the original enjoyer and the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Narayana, all the sins will be cleansed in Kali-yuga.”
      ~Kali-santarana Upanishad 1-11

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    • Harjas Kaur

      September 29, 2011

      

      “There we met Swami Satya Nanda, Udaasi (a Hindu ascetic) He expounded Guru Nanak’s philosophy and religiosity so eloquently that Swami Brahma Nanda experienced spiritual bliss. ”

      Indeed. Thank you for sharing the enlightenment of the sants of the Udasi Hindu-Sikh Panth.

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12. mayank sharma

    September 30, 2011

    

    i just want to say that harjas mam is epitome of santhan dharma, she has such depth knowledge about her subject and can outweigh her opponents in every field, because she always stand by truth, sikhism has the same dna as santhan dhrama, ya they have a distant identity but they are a polytheistic religion like us, i have deepest of respect to this great warrior religion, it is a conspiracy hatched by abrahmaic religion to dissect sikhs from hindus, and i truly is indebted to harjas mam that she has done such a stupendous job in binding both hindu and sikhs, i love all sikhs akali, nam dhari all, i love their passion , exuberance and the insatiable desire to do the extraordinary things at the times of upheavel. i m brahmin i usually chant all my txts esp kali maa text, that same txt is inspirations for great guru gobind singh ji , my both sikh and hindu brothers these abrahmic religions are devil. donot fall in their trap and i trat harjas mam as my mother, so we should support her in her endeavours, sorry if i hurted anybody.
    regards to both harjas mata and the editor of hindu existence an extraordinary blog to unite hindus worldwide.
    jai mata di.

    mayank sharma

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13. jas kaur

    October 1, 2011

    

    Saakhi of Havan and Devi Pargat –

    Guru Gobind Singh ji maharaj, before creation of Khalsa Panth tested Brahmins, Jogis and Masands at Sri Anandpur Sahib. In Itihaas, it is stated that Maharaj tested Brahmins twice and Masands thrice. Jogis were tested once and rejected as fake.
    First test was done at Parbat of Naina Devi where a Havan was held by Pandits (led by Kesho Daas or Devi Daas or Kaalka Daas, as names are different in all texts). Pandits had asked Maharaj to hold a Havan as that would make Devi Durga appear and bless Maharaj with Shakti from to destroy Mughals from this planet. Guru ji understood the slave mentality of Pandits and to expose them, agreed to hold the Havan. Nine Months passed but NO Devi appeared. At last Guru ji asked the Mukhi Pandit the reason for Devi not appearing, to which pandit replied that Devi needs blood of a Holy Being, probably your Eldest Son Baba Ajit Singh and then she would appear.( Pandit said these words thinking that Guruji would refuse giving his Son’s life and we will put the blame for Devi not appearing on Guruji)

    But Dasam Patshah smiled and replied, Pandit ji, tell me, who is more Holy and Pious than you? Lets give your Bali (sacrifice ) to Devi and when she appears, first thing I’ll ask her would be to revive you, give your life back. Pandit shivered with fear and started fumbling. Next minute he said to Maharaj ,’ I need to go for nature’s call and then I’ll return after Bath’’. Guruji let him go. Pandit ji and his Chele ran away from the Havan spot and never returned. When they didn’t return after some time, Guruji understood that Pandits have run away. Guruji ordered Singhs present to put all the Havan Samgari( Material used for Havan like Ghee, Woods, chandan kapoor etc.) into Havan Fire altogether. Singhs did this and a Large Flame of Fire rose from Havan Kund( due to all Samagri being thrown in fire at once). Guruji, in his Bir-Ras Form stood near the Fire and took out His Sword (which was called Sri Sahib) and rose it. People came running seeing the flame and asked Guruji, Maharaj, Has the Devi appeared? Guruji replied in Bir-Ras, Yes, and looking at his sword said ‘’ This is the Chandi , This is real Durga which vanquishes enemies in battlefield, this is the Kaalka which drinks blood of enemies and destroys them. This is the Bhagauti which protects Dharam and destroys evil’’.

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    • Harjas Kaur

      October 1, 2011

      

      Jas Kaur said, “Saakhi of Havan and Devi Pargat…”

      Why Kaurji did you not list a reference citation for your quote? Failure to do so is sometimes construed as plagiarism if you intend for people to think it was your own writing. So, for the above story, let’s give due credit to Kamaljeet Singh who lists as his sources:

      This Saakhi has been given in this form in these Granths –
      Tawarikh Guru Khalsa- Giani Gian Singh ji
      Kalgidhar Chamatkaar –Bhai Vir Singh ji
      Mahaan Kosh – Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha

      So who were these people on which the article bases it’s poorly documented claims?

      *Giani Gian Singh – was one of the founders of the Singh Sabha.
      “Giani Gian Singh became the first secretary of the Singh Sabha established in Amritsar in 1873.Sardul Singh inherited the family`s interest in Sikh learning. One of the aims of the Singh Sabha was to research and rewrite Sikh history… Bhai Sardul Singh prepared two reports, namely, Report Sodhak (Revision) Committee, Dasam Patshahl, Sri Guru Gurmat Granth Pracharak Sabha, and Report Dasam Granth di Sudhai Di, or report on revision of the Dasam Granth.The complete report was published in February 1898. Bhai Sardul Singh was one of those learned Sikhs who assisted Max Arthur Macauliffe in his work on Sikh religion.” http://www.thesikhencyclopedia.com/sikh-mystics-and-traditional-scholars/sardul-singh-giani-bhai.html

      *Bhai Vir Singh – “Bhai Vir Singh had the benefit of both, traditional indigenous learning, as well as, a modern British education in a missionary school… Bhai Vir Singh began taking an active interest in the affairs of the Singh Sabha movement. To promote its aims and objects, in 1894 he launched the Khalsa Tract Society… He was among the principal promoters of several of the Sikh institutions, such as Chief Khalsa Diwan… the Christian missionary example was apparently his model… Bhai Vir Singh stressed the autonomy of Sikh faith nourished and sustained by an awakening amongst the Sikhs of the awareness of their distinct theological and cultural identity.” http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Bhai_Vir_Singh

      Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha – “Bhai Kahan Singh had met British administrator Max Arthur Macauliffe in Rawalpindi in 1885. Macauliffe was engaged in research on the Sikh religion and Guru Granth Sahib. Naturally, he relied on a number of Sikhs to help him. Bhai Kahan’s first book Raj Dharam had been published a year ago, and, thus, it came as no surprise that Macauliffe asked Maharaja Hira Singh of Nabha to spare Bhai Kahan Singh for three months, so that they could work together. Years of research went into what became a six-volume work and Macauliffe often visited Nabha and other places to work with Bhai Kahan Singh who, in the meantime, had published Nanak Bhavarth Dipika (1888), Ham Hindu Nahin (1898)” http://www.sikhnet.com/news/kahan-singh-nabha-sikh-scholarship-and-legacy

      And thank you for providing a wonderful historical synopsis of what is wrong with Singh Sabha revisionist anti-Hindu British Raj sepoy oriented Sikh “religion.” You seem to have no concept of how Sikhism was changed with the advent of Abrahamic missionary education provided to the children of British Sikh Sepoys and how they were deliberately politically alienated from loyalty to their Matrabhoomi and Hindu brethren and from the Sanatan origins of their own Sikhi. how can one loyally serve as a soldier of the British Raj while at the same time serving the interests of independence of Hindustan FROM the British Raj? You can’t. hence the British Raj answer, reindoctrinatoin and redefinition of the Sikh faith by funding and elevating to government prominence, those Sikh educators and granthis which supported their Raj, and Sikh separatism. But these period writings, so flagrantly biased against Hindu Mat and Hindustan speak more to the British Abrahamic indoctrination efforts then they do to original purataan Sikhism or the authentic teachings of Guru Gobind Singh Ji whose own father Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib Ji which became shaheedi to defend not only the eternal Dharma, but also to protect the Hindu sants, and practices of janeo and tilak.

      “The main objects of the Singh Sabha were
      (i) to propagate the true Sikh religion and restore Sikhism to its pristine glory;
      (ii) to edit, publish and circulate historical and religious books ;
      (iii) to propagate current knowledge using Punjabi as the medium and to start magazines and newspapers in Punjabi;
      (iv) to reform and bring back into the Sikh fold the apostates; and
      (v) to interest the high placed Englishmen in and ensure their association with the education programme of the Sabha.” http://www.sikhcybermuseum.org.uk/history/SinghSabha1870.htm

      Why would the Sikhs be interested in alienating their Hindu compatriots in order to “interest the high placed Englishmen?” And there you will find the origin and answer to your Singh Sabha.

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    • Harjas Kaur

      October 2, 2011

      

      Jas Kaur writes: “Pandits had asked Maharaj to hold a Havan as that would make Devi Durga appear and bless Maharaj with Shakti from to destroy Mughals from this planet. Guru ji understood the slave mentality of Pandits and to expose them, agreed to hold the Havan. Nine Months passed but NO Devi appeared. ”

      Strange. That’s not what Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s bani says in Bichitra Natak. Guru Gobind Singh ji meditated at Hemkunt Sahib in isolation in previous life where Guruji was known as Dusht Daman. There he practiced the same Joga, austerities and penances (tapas) until Durga appeared and requested his rebirth.

      ਅਬ ਮੈ ਅਪਨੀ ਕਥਾ ਬਖਾਨੋ ॥ ਤਪ ਸਾਧਤ ਜਿਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਮੁਹਿ ਆਨੋ ॥
      Ab Mai Apnoo Kahtaa Bakhaano|| Tap Saadhat Jih Bidh(i) Muh(i) Aano||
      अब मै अपनी कथा बखानो ॥ तप साधत जिह बिधि मुहि आनो ॥
      Now I relate my own story as to how I was brought here, while I was absorbed in deep meditation.

      ਹੇਮ ਕੁੰਟ ਪਰਬਤ ਹੈ ਜਹਾਂ ॥ ਸਪਤ ਸ੍ਰਿੰਗ ਸੋਭਿਤ ਹੈ ਤਹਾਂ ॥੧॥
      Hem Kount Parbat Hai Jahaan|| Sapat Sring Sobhit Hai Tahaan||1||
      हेम कुंट परबत है जहां ॥ सपत स्रिंग सोभित है तहां ॥१॥
      The site was the mountain named Hemkunt, with seven peaks and looks there very impressive.

      ਸਪਤ ਸ੍ਰਿੰਗ ਤਿਹ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਹਾਵਾ ॥ ਪੰਡੁ ਰਾਜ ਜਹ ਜੋਗੁ ਕਮਾਵਾ ॥
      Sapat Sring Tih Naam(u) Kahaavaa|| Pant(u) Raaj Jab Jog(u) Kamaavaa||
      सपत स्रिंग तिह नामु कहावा ॥ पंडु राज जह जोगु कमावा ॥
      That mountain is called Sapt Shring (seven-peaked mountain), where the Pandavas Practised Yoga.

      ਤਹ ਹਮ ਅਧਿਕ ਤਪੱਸਿਆ ਸਾਧੀ ॥ ਮਹਾਕਾਲ ਕਾਲਿਕਾ ਅਰਾਧੀ ॥੨॥
      Tah Ham Adhik Tapassiaa Saadhoo|| Mahaakaal Kaalikaa Araadhoo||2||
      तह हम अधिक तपसिआ साधी ॥ महाकाल कालिका अराधी ॥२॥
      There I was absorbed in deep meditation on the Primal Power, the Supreme KAL.

      ਇਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਕਰਤ ਤਪਸਿਆ ਭਯੋ ॥ ਦ੍ਵੈ ਤੇ ਏਕ ਰੂਪ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਗਯੋ ॥
      Ih Bidh(i) Karat Tapasiaa Bhayo|| Dvai Te Ek Roop Hvai Gado||
      इह बिधि करत तपसिआ भयो ॥ द्वै ते एक रूप ह्वै गयो ॥
      In this way, my meditation reached its zenith and I became One with the Omnipotent Lord.

      ਤਾਤ ਮਾਤ ਮੁਰ ਅਲਖ ਅਰਾਧਾ ॥ ਬਹੂ ਬਿਧਿ ਜੋਗ ਸਾਧਨਾ ਸਾਧਾ ॥੩॥
      Taat Maat Muralakh Araadhaa|| Bahu Bidh(i) Jog Saadhnaa Saadhaa||3||
      तात मात मुर अलख अराधा ॥ बहू बिधि जोग साधना साधा ॥३॥
      My parents also meditated for the union with the Incomprehensible Lord and performed many types of disciplines for union.

      ਤਿਨ ਜੋ ਕਰੀ ਅਲਖ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ॥ ਤਾ ਤੇ ਭਏ ਪ੍ਰਸੰਨ ਗੁਰਦੇਵਾ ॥
      Tin Jo Daroo Alakh Koo Sevaa|| Taa Te Bhae Prasann Gurdevaa||
      तिन जो करी अलख की सेवा ॥ ता ते भए प्रसंन गुरदेवा ॥
      The service that they rendered the Incomprehensible Lord, caused the pleasure of the Supreme Guru (i.e. Lord).

      ਤਿਨ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਜਬ ਆਇਸ ਮੁਹਿ ਦੀਆ ॥ ਤਬ ਹਮ ਜਨਮ ਕਲੂ ਮਹਿ ਲੀਆ ॥੪॥
      Tin Prabh Jab Aais Muh(i) Dooaa|| Tah Ham Janam Kaloo Maih Looaa||4||
      तिन प्रभ जब आइस मुहि दीआ ॥ तब हम जनम कलू महि लीआ ॥४॥
      When the Lord ordered me, I was born in this Iron age.
      ~Sri Dasam Granth Sahib p. 132

      “The life story of Guru Gobind Singh is further told by the court-poet Sainapat, who finished his Sri Gur Sobha in AD 1711, three years after the death of the Guru. Other early sources are Koer Singh’s Gurbilas Patshahi, written in 1751 and the Bansawalinamah by Kesar Singh Chhibbar (1767).” http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Bachitar_Natak

      For your education, some relevant quotes on British Raj divide and conquer tactics between purataan Sanatan Hindu Sikhi and what came to be known as the modern, westernized, Abrahamic oriented, pro-British Raj Singh Sabha, anti-Hindu “Sikhism” which owes so largely to the British collaborators of the Singh Sabha, and former senior British Administrator of the Punjab, Max Arthur Macauliffe.

      “It is admitted that a knowledge of the religions of the people of India. is a desideratum for the British Officials who administer its affairs and indirectly for the people who are governed by them so that mutual sympathy may be produced. It seems, at any rate, politic to place before the Sikh soldiery their Guru’s prophecies in favour of the English and the texts of their sacred writings which foster their loyalty.” – Max Arthur Macauliffe http://www.sacred-texts.com/skh/tsr1/tsr101.htm

      “In our time one of the principal agencies for the preservation of the Sikh religion has been the practice of military officers commanding Sikh regiments to send Sikh recruits to receive baptism according to the rites prescribed by Guru Gobind Singh, and endeavour to preserve them in their subsequent career from the contagion of idolatry. The military thus ignoring or despising the restraints imposed by the civil policy of what is called ‘religious neutrality’, have practically become the main hierophants and guardians of the Sikh religion.” – Max Arthur Macauliffe http://www.sacred-texts.com/skh/tsr1/tsr101.htm

      “A movement to declare the Sikhs Hindus, in direct opposition to the teaching of the Gurus, is widespread and of long duration. I have only quite recently met in Lahore young men claiming to be descendants of the Gurus, who told me that they were Hindus, and that they could not read the characters in which the sacred books of the Sikhs were written. Whether the object of their tutors and advisers was or was not to make them disloyal, such youths are ignorant of the Sikh religion, and of its prophecies favour of the English, and contract exclusive social customs and prejudices to the extent of calling us Malechhas, or persons of impure desires, and inspiring disgust for the customs and habits of Christians.” – Max Arthur Macauliffe http://www.sacred-texts.com/skh/tsr1/tsr101.htm

      “It must be a matter of great satisfaction to Mr. Macauliffe that the Amritsar Singh Sabha have accepted his translations as being thoroughly accurate. We may say with confidence that in putting the study of the Sikh sacred writings within our reach Mr. Macauliffe has earned the approbation of all who know the great value of the Sikh soldier; the cordial recognition of the rulers of the country, and the gratitude of the chiefs, sardars, and people of the Sikh community–a feeling of gratitude which I feel sure will be much increased when Mr. Macauliffe has translated the sacred writings into the ordinary Panjabi of the day…” -Lord Kitchener of Khartoum http://www.sacred-texts.com/skh/tsr1/tsr101.htm

      “Macauliffe’s opinions however, were rapidly changing, and the principal cause was his association with a group of Sikhs who firmly believed that the conventional interpretation of the Sikh religion was altogether mistaken. These Sikhs, as we have seen, belonged to the Tat Khalsa. In 1873 some Sikhs had become alarmed at what they regarded as the threatened status of the Panth and had met in Amritsar to form the Singh Sabha. The dominant group within Amritsar comprised those who wanted reform but reform along the inclusive lines which characterized the Sikhism of earlier days. The Sikhism which they favoured was one which drew inspiration from the Vedas and Hindu epics, and no clear difference between Sikhs and Hindus was recognized. Even the worship of idols was acknowledged if people who called themselves Sikhs wished to practise it.

      These were the group which came to be called the Sanatan Sikhs, conservative in their views and harking back to the Sikhism they had known. They were soon to be confronted by the Tat Khalsa, radical Sikhs centred in Lahore and influenced by western education. Sikhism was for them not an inclusive faith. It was definitely exclusive. Guru Nanak had founded the faith as an entirely separate and independent one, in no way dependent on Hindu tradition. One of the most prominent members of the Tat Khalsa, Kahn Singh Nabha, compiled a book of proof texts and in 1898 issued it under the title Ham Hindu Nahin, ‘We are not Hindus’.5 Kahn Singh was not only a prominent member of the Tat Khalsa. He was a also close friend of Macauliffe’s and an intimate adviser as Macauliffe’s opinions of the Sikh religion took final shape…. For these he also relied upon the interpretation of those with whom he was closely associated, with the result that his final work mirrors exactly the views of the Tat Khalsa reformers.” http://www.sikh-heritage.co.uk/writers/macauliffe/macauliffe.htm

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    • Harjas Kaur

      October 2, 2011

      

      Jas Kaur writes: “had asked Maharaj to hold a Havan as that would make Devi Durga appear and bless Maharaj with Shakti from to destroy Mughals from this planet. Guru ji understood the slave mentality of Pandits and to expose them, agreed to hold the Havan. Nine Months passed but NO Devi appeared.”

      Indeed.

      Are you familiar with Shri Sarbloh Granth?

      ਪੂਜਾ, ਤਿਲਕ, ਹੋਮ, ਗਾਯਤ੍ਰੀ, ਸੰਧ੍ਯਾ, ਤਰਪਨ ਧਾਰੋ ॥
      Conduct worship, [adorn a] Tilak, [conduct] Havans, [recite] Gayatri [mantras], worship at the prescribed times, instill these virtues [in your heart].

      “Havan is a traditional practise where a fire is lighted and various materials are poured into the fire. For the Khalsa, Giani Baba Inderjit Singh Ji explained that making langar is a form of hom, as it uses fire and provides for the poor. Furthermore, traditionally the Khalsa would lite Havans when reading Dasam Guru Granth Sahib Ji or when preparing for war. It was seen to appease Vahiguru’s Shakti, Chandi. Baba Deep Singh Ji before fighting the Mughals performed a Havan as recorded in Naveen Panth Prakash [written in the 1800s], it says:

      ਸੁਨਿ ਬੇਅਦਬੀ ਬਹੁ ਗੁਰੁਦ੍ਵਾਰੈਂ ।ਚੰਡੀ ਚਢੀ ਤਾਂਹਿ ਅਤਿ ਭਾਰੈਂ ।੯।
      When hearing about the disrespect at the Gurdrawa [Harimandar], The spirit of Chandi arose within him [Baba Deep Singh Ji Shaheed]

      ਸੁਨਿ ਸਿੰਘ ਪਾਠ ਅਖੰਡ ਕਰਾਯੋ । ਹਮਨ ਕਰਯੋ ਕੰਗਨਾ ਬੰਧਵਾਯੋ ।
      Baba Ji organized an Akhand Paat and completed a Havan [before heading towards the battle] and tied a wedding bracelet around his wrist [a preparation for martyrdom as death is seen as a merging with their beloved Lord].”
      http://www.manglacharan.com/2010/09/updesh-teaching-to-khalsa-sarbloh.html

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    • Harjas Kaur

      October 2, 2011

      

      Jas kaur quoted…(some nonsense based on a political propaganda distortion of Singh Sabha British collaborators).

      RESPONSE: The first page of Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib Ji, Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s bani, suppressed for a century by Nihang Budha Dal to protect it from Singh Sabha distortions as was visited on Shri Dasam Granth with political objective to edit out the Sanatan imagery and meanings to create an anti-Hindu separatism.

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      One (advait – non-dual) Lord who is the light of all creation

      ਸ੍ਰੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹ ॥
      Victory to Sri Vahiguru

      ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਵਾਨੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ ॥
      May Bhavani be helpful

      ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮਾਯਾ ਲਛਮੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ ॥
      May Maya Laxmi be helpful

      ਉਸਤਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮਾਯਾ ਲਛਮੀ ਜੀ ਕੀ ॥
      The Praise of Sri Maya Laxmi

      ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਿਵਾਕਯ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ ੧੦ ॥
      From the blessed mouth of the Tenth King

      ਦੋਹਿਰਾ ॥ ਛਾਯਾ ਰੂਪੀ ਹੇਇ ਕੈ, ਬਿਚਰਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੋਪਾਲ ॥
      Taking the form of Maya (the great illusion, duality), Gopal (the preserver of Life) wanders within it (the creation)

      ਆਪਹਿ ਲਛਮੀ ਬਪੁ ਧਰੇ, ਜੀਉ ਜੰਤੁ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲ ॥੧॥
      For the protection of beings, He took the form of Sri Laxmi

      ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮਾਯਾ ਮੁਖਿ ਕਰੋ ਉਚਾਰ ॥
      Recite, “Sri Maya”, from your mouth

      ਦਰਿਦ੍ਰ ਸਾਗਰ ਤੇ ਲੇਹੁ ਉਬਾਰਿ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
      She protects the weak from the (dreadful) ocean

      ਦੋਹਿਰਾ ॥ ਆਦਿ ਭਵਾਨੀ ਈਸੁਰੀ, ਮਾਯਾ ਜਾ ਕੋ ਨਾਮ ॥
      The Primordial Bhavani (Paida karn vali shakti*) the Creator, whose name is Maya

      ਇਨ ਬਿਨ ਸਰੈ ਨ ਏਕ ਛਿਨ, ਪੂਰਨ ਹੋਤ ਨ ਕਾਮ ॥੨॥
      Nothing can be accomplished without Her protection not even for a moment.

      ਸੁਖਦਾਇਕ ਮੰਗਲਕਰਨ, ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲੇ ਬਹੁ ਭਾਂਤਿ ॥
      The giver of happiness, giver of liberation, Her very nature is to take care of Her creation

      ਸੁਬੁਧਿਦੈਨ ਜੈ ਜੈ ਕਰਨਿ, ਮਾਯਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਜਗਮਾਤਿ ॥੩॥
      Hail Hail to the One who gives awareness of the Self (aatma), Maya (Laxmi), the mother of the World
      http://www.manglacharan.com/search/label/Sarbloh%20Granth

      Notes according to the Budha Dal Steek on Sarbloh Granth:
      Bhavani (the fericous form of Parbati, Shivji’s consort, also known as Durga, Bhagauti) here is noted as “Paida karan vali shakti”, meaning, that She is the Creative (that which gives birth) Energy of the Universe.

      Maya Laxmi (Vishnu’s consort) is noted as “Paalnaa karan vali Shakti”, meaning She is the Nourishing/protecting Energy of the Universe.

      The Steek talks about how these Devi’s represent Guna’s (qualities) of Vahiguru.

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      • Harjas Kaur

        October 2, 2011

        

        Jai Chandi – Passage from Sarbloh Granth

        ਤ੍ਰਿਭੰਗੀ ਛੰਦ॥

        ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਮੋ ਭਵਾਨੀ, ਲੋਕਾਂ ਰਾਨੀ, ਪ੍ਰਭੰ ਮੁਰਾਰੀ, ਜਯ ਚੰਡੀ ॥
        Salutation to Bhavani, the queen of the Worlds, The Lord, killer of demon Mur, Victory to Chandi !

        ਤ੍ਰੈਭਵਨੰ ਦਾਤਾ, ਜਗ ਪਿਤੁ ਮਾਤਾ, ਜੁਗਤਿ ਬਿਧਾਤਾ, ਭਯ ਖੰਡੀ ॥
        The giver to the three worlds, Father and Mother to the world, through your creative ways you give the rewards of karama, Oh destroyer of fear !

        ਸ਼ਤ੍ਰੁਨ ਦਲ ਹੰਤੀ, ਅਸੁਰ ਮਥੰਤੀ, ਜ੍ਵਾਲ ਜਯੰਤੀ, ਰਿਪੁ ਡੰਡੀ ॥
        Destroyer of the enemies armies, masher of the enemies, the conqueror of fire, you are the one who gives punishment to the evil ones !

        ਮਹਿਖਾਸੁਰ ਮਾਰਨਿ, ਦੁਸ਼੍ਟ ਪ੍ਰਜਾਰਨਿ, ਪਤਿਤ ਉਧਾਰਿਨ ਜਗ ਮੰਡੀ ॥ ੧੫੪ ॥
        Destroyer of the demon Mahikasur, burner of the evil ones, the saviour of sinners, in this world Chandi is worthy of being accepted/believed in

        ਸਰਬਲੋਹ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਟੀਕਾ, ਭਾਗ ਪਹਿਲਾ, ਅੰਗ ੩੦

        “The scripture that was given to Guru Gobind Singh Ji was the story of the Sarbloh avatar (manifestation of God). Dusht-Daman (the previous avatar of Guru Gobind Singh Ji) had written what he had seen in Satyug between the war of Sarbloh and various demons (Bheemnaad and his brother Beerjnaad). The scripture (pothi) was in Sanskrit but Guru Gobind Singh Ji rewrote some/many parts of it in various contemporary languages. The various languages of the Sarbloh Granth include Arabic, Persian, Brij Bhasha, Sanskrit, Sadhu Bhasha and various other dialects. Guru Gobind Singh Ji completed and formalized the Sarbloh Granth at present day Gurdrawa Baba Nidhan Singh Ji infront of Takht Hazur Sahib. Previously this Gurdrawa was a Nihang Singh Chauni (encampment) but the property was given to Baba Nidhan Singh to set up a spot dedicated to langar (free community kitchen). The Chauni was previously called Bunga Sarbloh Ji.”

        “Note: The above information was provided by Giani Inderjit Singh Ji, student of Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindranvale. Giani Inderjit Singh Ji spent many of his younger years at Sri Hazur Sahib and grew up with former Jathedar Baba Santha Singh Ji Budha Dal vale

        1 Giani Kirpal Singh Nihang, Doh Nirmolak Heerey Ardrshak Jiwan 112 Sant Baba Mitt Singh Ji Nihang ate 112 Sant Baba Dharm Singh Ji Nihang Singh, Published by the author (1996), 251.”

        “This blog is in memory of the late Sant Baba Joga Singh Ji. Babaji was the first out of five Singhs to do sangat of Sant Harnam Singh Rampur Khera vale, and spent more than five years with Sant Ji. Baba Joga Singh spent another five years with the head Mahant at the Udasi Akhara in Hardiwar learning Dharmik granths (religious texts). Baba Joga Singh was extremely knowledgeable and always told us to never to slander any man of God be them a Sadhu, Udasi, or Sikh.”

        http://www.manglacharan.com/search/label/Sarbloh%20Granth

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    • Harjas Kaur

      October 2, 2011

      

      BANI OF GURU GOBIND SINGH JI RE: DEVI, WHICH SINGH SABHA SAYS DOES NOT EXIST!~

      ਜੈ ਦੇਵੀ ਭੇਵੀ ਭਾਵਾਣੀ ॥ ਭਉ ਖੰਡੀ ਦੁਰਗਾ ਸਰਬਾਣੀ ॥ ਕੇਸਰੀ ਆਬਾਹੀ ਕਊ ਮਾਰੀ ॥ ਭੈਖੰਡੀ ਭੈਰਵਿ ਉੱਧਾਰੀ ॥੪੫॥
      Jai Devibhevibhaavaanee|| Bhau Khandidurgad Sarbaanee|| Kesariaabaahikaoomdaree|| Bhaikhandibhairav(i) Uddhdaree||45||
      जै देवी भेवी भावाणी ॥ भउ खंडी दुरगा सरबाणी ॥ केसरी आबाही कऊ मारी ॥ भैखंडी भैरवि उधारी ॥४५॥
      “Hail, O Bhairavi, Durga, You are the destroyer of fear, You ferry across the ocean of existence, the rider of the lion, the destroyer of fear and generous Creator !

      ਅਕਲੰਕਾ ਅੱਤ੍ਰੀ ਛਤ੍ਰਾਣੀ ॥ ਮੋਹਣੀਅੰ ਸਰਬੰ ਲੋਕਾਣੀ ॥ਰਕਤਾਗੀ ਸਾਗੀ ਸਾਵਿਤ੍ਰੀ ॥ ਪਰਮੇਸ੍ਰੀ ਪਰਮਾ ਪਾਵਿਤ੍ਰੀ ॥੪੬॥
      Aklankaa Attrichhatraanee|| Mohaneean Sarban Lokaanee|| Raktaagisaagisaavitree|| Parmesriparmaa Paavitree||46||
      अकलंका अत्री छत्राणी ॥ मोहणीअं सरबं लोकाणी ॥रकतागी सागी सावित्री ॥ परमेस्री परमा पावित्री ॥४६॥
      “You are blemishless, adopter of arms, the fascinator of all the worlds, the Kshatriya goddess; You are Sati Savitri with blood-saturated limbs and the Supremely Immaculate Parmeshwari.46.

      ਤੋਤਲੀਆ ਜਿਹਬਾ ਕਊਮਾਰੀ ॥ ਭਵ ਭਰਣੀ ਹਰਣੀ ਉੱਧਾਰੀ ॥ ਮ੍ਰਿਦ ਰੂਪਾ ਭੂਪਾ ਬੁੱਧਾਣੀ ॥ ਜੈ ਜੰਪੈ ਸੁੱਧੰ ਸਿੰਧਾਣੀ ॥੪੭॥
      Totaleeaa Jibhaa Kaoomdaree|| Bhav Bharnidarniuddhdaree|| Mrid Roopaa Bhoopaa Buddhaanee|| Jai Janpai Suddhan Siddhaanee||47||
      तोतलीआ जिहबा कऊमारी ॥ भव भरणी हरणी उधारी ॥ म्रिद रूपा भूपा बुधाणी ॥ जै ज्मपै सुधं सिंधाणी ॥४७॥
      “You are the youthful goddess of sweet words; you are the destroyer of worldly sufferings and redeemer of all; you are Rajeshwari full of beauty and wisdom; I hail you, O the attainer of all powers.

      ਜਗ ਧਾਰੀ ਭਾਰੀ ਭਗਤਾਯੰ ॥ ਕਰ ਧਾਰੀ ਭਾਰੀ ਮੁਕਤਾਯੰ ॥ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਗੋਫਣੀਆ ਗੁਰਜਾਣੀ ॥ਤੇ ਬਰਣੀ ਹਰਣੀ ਭਾਮਾਣੀ ॥੪੮॥
      Jag Dhaaribhaaribhagtaayan|| Kar Dhaaribhaarimouktaayan|| Soundar Gophaneeaa Gurjaanee|| Te Barnidarnibhaamaanee||48||
      जग धारी भारी भगतायं ॥ कर धारी भारी मुकतायं ॥ सुंदर गोफणीआ गुरजाणी ॥ते बरणी हरणी भामाणी ॥४८॥
      “O supporter of the world ! You are superb for the devotees, holding the arms and weapons in your hands; You have the revolving maces in your hand and on their strength, You appear to be Supreme.48.

      ਭਿੰਭਰੀਆ ਜੱਛੰ ਸਰਬਾਣੀ ॥ ਗੰਧਰਬੀ ਸਿੱਧੰ ਚਾਰਾਣੀ ॥ ਅਕਲੰਕ ਸਰੂਪੰ ਨਿਰਮਲੀਅੰ ॥ ਘਣ ਮੱਧੇ ਮਾਨੋ ਚੰਚਲੀਅੰ ॥੪੯॥
      Bhinbhareeaa Jachchhan Sarbaanee|| Gaddharbisiddhan Chaaraanee|| Aklank Daroopan Nitmaleean|| Ghan Maddhe Maano Channdhaleean||49||
      भि्मभरीआ जछं सरबाणी ॥ गंधरबी सिधं चाराणी ॥ अकलंक सरूपं निरमलीअं ॥ घण मधे मानो चंचलीअं ॥४९॥
      “You are superb amongst Yakshas and Kinnars; the Gandharvas and Siddhas (adepts) remain present at your feet; Your figure is pure like the lightning in clouds.49.

      ਅਸਪਾਣੰ ਮਾਣੰ ਲੋਕਾਯੰ ॥ ਸੁਖ ਕਰਣੀ ਹਰਣੀ ਸ਼ੋਕਾਯੰ ॥ ਦੁਸ਼ਟ ਹੰਤੀ ਸੰਤੰ ਉੱਧਾਰੀ ॥ ਅਨਛੇਦਾ ਭੇਦਾ ਕਊਮਾਰੀ ॥੫੦॥
      Aspaanan Maanan Lokaayan|| Soukh Karnidarnishokaayan|| Dousht Hantisantan Uddhdaree|| Anchhedaa Bhekaa Kaoomdaree||50||
      असपाणं माणं लोकायं ॥ सुख करणी हरणी शोकायं ॥ दुशट हंती संतं उधारी ॥ अनछेदा भेदा कऊमारी ॥५०॥
      “Holding the sword in your hand, You honour the saints, the giver of comfort and destroyer of sorrow; You are the destroyer of tyrants, redeemer of the saints; You are invincible and treasure of Virtues.
      ~Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji p. 1283

      WHY WOULD GURU GOBIND SINGH JI ELOQUENTLY PRAISE THAT WHICH DOESN’T EXIST? WHY CALL HER MOTHER OF THE KHALSA, THE ONE WHICH REQUESTED HIS REBIRTH AND GAVE HIM KIRPAN!~

      ਦੁਰਗਾ ਪਾਠ ਬਣਾਇਆ ਸਭੇ ਪਉੜੀਆਂ ॥
      Durgad Paath Banaaiaa Sabhe Paudeeaan||
      दुरगा पाठ बणाइआ सभे पउड़ीआं ॥
      All the Pauris (stanza) of this DURGA PATH (The text about the exploits of Durga) have been composed;

      ਫੇਰ ਨ ਜੂਨੀ ਆਇਆ ਜਿਨ ਇਹ ਗਾਇਆ ॥੫੫॥
      Pher Na Jooniaaiaa Jin Eh Gadiaa||55||
      फेर न जूनी आइआ जिन इह गाइआ ॥५५॥
      And that person who sings it, will not take birth again.

      ਮੁਖ ਭਾਗ 6
      Moukh Bhag 6
      मुख भाग 6
      Chapter 6

      ਗਿਆਨ ਪ੍ਰਬੋਧ
      Giaan Prabodh
      गिआन प्रबोध
      NAME OF THE BANI.

      ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
      Ik Oankaar Satigur Prasad(i)||
      ੴ सतिगुर प्रसादि ॥
      The Lord is one, He can be realized by the grace of the True Guru.

      ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ ॥
      Sribhagauthijisahaae||
      स्री भगउती जी सहाइ ॥
      Let the Lord (The Primal Lord, who known as Sri Bhagauti Ji—The Primal Mother) be helpful.
      ~Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji p. 325

      For Jas Kaur on her distorted understanding of Devi

      from politicized, deliberately anti-Hindu Singh Sabha sources. Please understand that BEFORE the British Raj and BEFORE modern Singh Sabha separatist Sikhism went through gymnastic hoops trying to say tapas didn’t mean tapas, joga didn’t mean joga, Krishna didn’t mean Krishna and Chandi didn’t mean Chandi… was an earlier purataan Sanatan Hindu-Sikh teaching which had no problem at all uniting Guru’s bani with Vedic, Puranic and Shastric understandings.

      ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥DOHRA

      ਤਾ ਤੇ ਤੁਮਹੂੰ ਚੰਡ ਕੀ ਸੇਵ ਕਰਹੁ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇ ॥ ਜੀਤਨ ਕੋ ਬਰੁ ਦੇਇਗੀ ਅਰਿ ਤਬ ਲੀਜਹੁ ਘਾਇ ॥੧੩੨੫॥
      Therefore you should also serve Chandi single-mindedly, which she will bestow the boon of victory and then you will be able to kill the enemy.1325.

      ਜਾਗਤ ਜਾ ਕੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਜਗ ਜਲ ਥਲ ਰਹੀ ਸਮਾਇ ॥ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਹਰਿ ਰੂਪ ਮੈ ਤ੍ਰਿਗੁਨਿ ਰਹੀ ਠਹਰਾਇ ॥੧੩੨੬॥
      She, whose gleaming light pervades in water, on plain and the whole world, the same is preset in Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva in the form of three modes.1326.

      ਸਵੈਯਾ ॥SWAYYA

      ਜਾ ਕੀ ਕਲਾ ਬਰਤੈ ਜਗ ਮੈ ਅਰੁ ਜਾ ਕੀ ਕਲਾ ਸਭ ਰੂਪਨ ਮੈ ॥ ਅਰੁ ਜਾ ਕੀ ਕਲਾ ਬਿਮਲਾ ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਕਮਲਾਪਤਿ ਕੇ ਕਮਲਾ ਤਨ ਮੈ ॥
      She, whose power is present in the whole world and in all forms, whose power is present in Parvati, Vishnu and Lakshsmi,

      ਪੁਨਿ ਜਾ ਕੀ ਕਲਾ ਗਿਰ ਰੂਖਨ ਮੈ ਸਸਿ ਪੂਖਨ ਮੈ ਮਘਵਾ ਘਨ ਮੈ ॥ ਤੁਮਹੂੰ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਨੀ ਭਵਾਨੀ ਕਲਾ ਜਗ ਮਾਨੀ ਕੋ ਧਯਾਨ ਕਰੋ ਮਨ ਮੈ ॥੧੩੨੭॥
      And whose power is present in the mountain, tree, sun, moon, Indra and clouds also; you have not adored that Bhavani, therefore now meditate on Her.1327.

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      After quoting Dasam Granth Bhai Avatar Singh says:

      ਐਸੀ ਜਗਦੰਭਾ ਭਵਾਨੀ ਦੀ ਸੰਗ੍ਰਾਮਕ ਸ਼ਕਤੀ ਕਲਾ ਨੂੰ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਕਰਕੇ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਕੀਤੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨ ਦੁਵਾਰਾ ਅਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਦੇ ਵਿਚ ਸਥਾਪਨ ਕੀਤਾ ।
      In this way, the ferocious battlefield power of Bhavani was manifested and used as a Kirpan when preparing Amrit.

      “Note: Avatar Singh is referring to when the Devi appeared before Guru Gobind Singh Ji and gave Her dagger [karad] to Guru Gobind Singh Ji for use in the Amrit Sanchaar [ref Suraj Prakash and Puratan Rehatnamas]. Giani Baba Inderjit Singh Ji also confirmed this with me.” -from the blog Manglacharan

      http://www.manglacharan.com/search/label/History

      The above is direct quotation taken from Jvala Singh’s website manglacharan so there is no accidental attribution to myself, except for the initial commentary above the bani.

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14. maddy

    October 18, 2011

    

    Jesus Christ, if the son of God, must be the most evil man ever to be born. Without any miracles, he had it in his power, being Gods Son and knowing everything, to save millions of children with just a few words. “Please wash your hands after using the lavatory” Or “Boil contaminated water before drinking it because it contains dangerous bacteria.” Jesus must be responsible for far more? deaths than Hitler or Stalin. His holding back such knowledge is a crime against humanity.

    Bloody monster!

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15. misskennedy

    March 6, 2012

    

    Sikhi is a unique faith- it is recognised as an individual religion and the concepts are extremely different to those of other religions- hence why sikhs are one of the most respected in the world! having read some of the comments some of you have posted, i must say that you are severely disillusioned. recognise everyone as equals, but everyone has a right to their own opinions. Sikhism is a part of Hinduism, but not the Hinduism as believed!

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16. Isabella

    April 29, 2013

    

    I every time spent my half an hour to read this blog’s articles or reviews every day along with a cup of coffee.

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